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tilly
# Posted: 1 Sep 2015 00:07


Hi All,
I came across an article on Orgone and was very surprised to hear of its use against negative energies. There are many YouTube videos on this subject. The one I watched was by a man called Geoff Byrd : How to use Orgonite and clear your home of toxic EMF.
http://radiomysterium.com

Hope this is helpful !
Tilly

DE
# Posted: 1 Sep 2015 15:18


Thanks Tilly,
Is this a crystal? and how much is it?
The website looks very strange to me. Sorry but I did not download it. I have a limit on this).
If you are bombarded with emfs from wifis etc. I doubt that a orgonite wil do clear them.

DE
# Posted: 1 Sep 2015 15:42


I have looked it up. Orgonite is basically fibreglass, metal shavings and a quartz crystal.
I can see that the metal could perhaps be of use but it could possibly also act as a reflector of emfs?
The original chap who healed people put them in a room covered with he stuff, which could have been like a metal cage (Faraday cage) keeping out microwaves. But I cannot see how small pieces of it would do any good.

I don't know but I do know people try anything when they get very ill.
Like to stick to things I understand.

agnes
# Posted: 3 Sep 2015 02:23


DE.
I don't know if this (below) site is what you are talking about.
But I intensely dislike the "Woodoo" stuff selling as a cure.
And if you look through the explanation of what it does for you will notice:X (Mental pollution) or, another way of telling you "Its all in your mind"!
But what the heck if they can get people to buy it, it just might make them some cash.
I am afraid "Natures Blessings" to me mean something entirely different and natural, not resin and metal shavings, crystal added or not.

http://www.natures-blessings.org/articleOrgone.htm

Here goes,:Quote:
ORGONE (OR) vs DEADLY ORGONE (DOR)

In the course of life force research, additional characteristics of orgone
energy became obvious. Wilhelm Reich demonstrated the existence of DOR, or deadly orgone. This is a form of orgone that, according to Reich, has "turned stale".
In our days, this type energy is often connected with strong electro smog such as under fluorescent lights. Many people feel strangely weakened, even sick, under such conditions.

X
These conditions are brought about by negative thoughts (mental pollution) and actions, as well as deadly frequencies like radiation, ELF'S, EMF'S etc.X


DOR originates also under certain natural conditions. Of course, such
natural DOR eventually transforms back into healthy orgone, because of the impact of the living pulse of natural orgone. In artificial conditions
however, such as under continuous impact of electro smog, such
transformation is counteracted continuously with the generation of new DOR, in which case the weakening and depressing atmosphere remains.

What is Orgone?
Orgone is the mixture of an inorganic and an organic substance in a 50/50
ratio. It's that simple. Nothing fancy, just 50% organic and 50% inorganic
material mixed together. This could be alternating layers of aluminum foil
and wax paper or a mixture of metal shavings and resin.

This was a sales site for small necklaces.
Why buy if you can DIY from Alu foil and wax paper?

Like you DE, no matter how sick, I like to stick with stuff I understand. and by know works.
Best regards.
Agnes

Arthur
Member
# Posted: 3 Sep 2015 11:29 - Edited by: Arthur


I made some basic orgonites some 1 year ago, normally I am with at least one of them in me. At the beginning I was neither believer nor hater, just open, now I've become a bit uninterested. I hope they were not too badly built, it was the first time that I made them.

What I can report is that, if they have an effect, it is subtle and long term. Indeed sometimes I've noticed things like really good mood, or heavy bird chirping outside, which as you know is becoming very rare, both in towns and woods, but obviously it is just an impression impossible to prove. Orgonite is not gonna make an EMR sick place, like a library or hospital, feel good no matter how much orgonite you carry, in that respect I can assure you. The characteristic little headache, stiff joings and worsening of mental clarity keep just as normal. The marvellous effects claimed by some enthusiast seem to me an exaggeration or false.

I noticed though in its favor:
- astro turfing activity in internet trying to ridicule it, in an uncalled-for suspicious way
- intelligent people out of suspicion do report they have opened up chem-clouds with the thingamidgies called chembusters; it is something simply observable, that a hole opens up, you cannot fool yourself; someone honestly wanting to know the truth and still doubting of the honesty of those individuals should simply try to repllicate this result

I'd like to say too that just because someone is selling it it doesnt mean anything. Me myself at the beginning thought of making a lot of it and go to a popular market in my town, but rather than money my idea was to give good service to people, I was planning to charge just the cost of the fiberglass and a bit more for my time and effort, hardly a way to make money.

Now about the how it is claimed to work, you are missing piezoelectric effect in the quartz stone inside, because of pressure of the resin when it contracts. Mechanical force leads to an electric charge, but also there are a two way "vibrational" effect. You might know ot the research of a Carnicon: people have now tiny chrystals inside, therefore EMR is to "activate" them. But leave that aside: piezoelectric effect is official science for those who need assurance from that particular "church" (I use to joke: the real pseudo-science :)).

There is something very weird going on with the new screens, it goes beyond radiation, it must be like "etheric" kind of beyond physical dimension. They give me instantly a slight headache and bad feeling, even if off, even if just passing by a caffe with a big tv screen, in a way that old tv sets and cell-phones do not. I've been experimenting the last two weeks owning a tablet: I hardly can stand it, even off I feel dark and my ears hurt, I admit you can explain tinnitus as some sort of leakage at the cell level in sensory cells, Barrie Trower dixit if my English foreign language is not failing me, but this kind of pain feels like the pain of a hypnotized subject when you put a needle cms away from his skin, i.e. "etheric" or bioelectric. It is soooo amusing when I see acupuncture or shiatsu clinics nearby masts! Ludicrous.

This is the thing: orgonite was invented and is at the level of this "etheric" , DOR, whatever the name, thing, real inventors are the Croft couple, Reich is only for the legend or as an antecedent. Therefore if you are not "there", there is no way you can understand orgonite. It is absolutely true that some source of connection exists EMR-bad thoughts and feelings, it goes beyond the aggression and irritability it causes that can have a purely physiological-physicall basis.

One cannot expect people to consider or use orgonite, even me I have no idea whether it works or not. It does work to surprise girls who sit at the side library's computers though, when I place one on top of the computer:) Indeed it is a very marginal speculative self-protection measure for ES and EMR-aware people.

It directly leads to an official science- pseudoscience kind of debate, about which my personal intuition is that both are two layers of one single deception, and high quality deception is always done with a mixture of truth and lie. To conquer truth beyond that is the enterprise of an exceedingly brave capable soul (i.e virtually nobody available).

tilly
# Posted: 3 Sep 2015 22:52


Hi , there seems to be a long scientific history on the Orgone subject which makes it difficult to explain even condensed so I'll make my understanding real quick.
I'm no scientist but have a grasp on energy from natural sources. If you feel better from walking in nature or swimming in the sea it's because the organic elements are in tune with your own.

Orgone is a powerful source of energy created by combining natural organics with inorganics on a 50/50 ratio or symmetrical form.
Diamonds are a ladies best friend for two reasons. ...they are beautiful to look at but also they give off a healing energy.
Others to to this are ....Crystals, Rubies, Silver, Gold,....Stones, Sand, Coal...Copper and Steel Shavings (lighter in density).

Copper is a brain enhancer....well documented ! If you were to wear a thin strip of copper band around your forehead for an hour or so it would stimulate your sensor' s. Add a rubie or crystal for heightened awareness or even better if you have the cash ...dip the copper band in silver, let it dry then dip in gold, let it dry and wear for as long as you want to connect with the cosmos. This is exactly what the Mayan's, Aztecs and the Egyptians did.
The Queen's Crown is an excellent example of a powerful Orgonite.

You have to really know what your doing when dealing with Orgone as these energies create a frequency that can either Enhance, Protect, Deflect or Devour.
It's best finding an expert who can make you an Emulet for wearing or a Home Deflector for negative energies. These are not toys ! Tesla knew and used Orgonite.

Also certain Geometrical Shapes such as Pyramid, Cone or Dome create and store energy .....more so when situated on Earth's Lay-Lines.
The frequency's produced from high energies can be used either to hurt or heal depending on what is desired by those taping into it.

Everything on Earth including Humans has an energy field that creates it's own frequency. It can be known as Chi, Ki, Prana or Life Force Energy (Orgone).

Hope that info helps a little. I'm going to try the copper head band....without the Rubies of course....and will remember to layer the copper strip with a light material or I'll be left with a green hue.
I'll try anything to get rid of my headaches....will let you know how it goes !!

Regards- Tilly

tilly
# Posted: 3 Sep 2015 23:08


P.s.
After all my info forgot why I had mentioned the subject of Orgone in the first place.
Check out " The Old Lab Rat" on YouTube as he makes a device from certain crystals combined with copper sealed in a resin cube block that you bury 10 feet from a mobile phone mast that deflects the negative frequency from your home/ area. I think you need four of these for each side of mast.

Bye

DE
# Posted: 5 Sep 2015 19:54


Agnes - voodoo just about describes it.
Arthur clouds can be produced by seeding the atmosphere salt can be used, iodine had been used in the past.
Arthur, can you wear a hat made of the metallic material that is sold to keep emfs out? I do when I travel on the M1 and it helps.
Tilly you feel better when in the sea or walking in the woods because you are far from any microwave sources (among other things!) Everything else I cannot say I understand or agree with.
For me it is more simple avoidance when you can and keep away from crowds. Yes I know its not easy.

Arthur
Member
# Posted: 7 Sep 2015 14:27


DE,
thank you for the hat idea; I had heard of it, but not sure... I remember EMR consultant Paul Waddell out of New Zealand saying that anything that does not cover the whole body may take radiation from the other direction and actually redirected into you, even bottling it up in you (not his exact words probably). As if wearing the hat and radiation is coming from the neighbour in the appartment below you. But driving indeed it comes from the sides so maybe it helps. Put a meter inside your the hat and see :)

Tilly
The last thing you commented is the well-known gifting; being like that, bigger and in the four angles perhaps it does something with the EMR from the mast, I dont know. A small orgonite that you throw at a mast and changes it into a positive energy device I doubt it, who knows... it is a romantic idea and I applaud the good intention of the gifters, but... I experimented a bit, probably with too little too badly done orgonite, but I didnt feel anything at all, the mast feels as harmful as ever.

DE
# Posted: 7 Sep 2015 20:56


Anything metallic reflects microwaves.
The hat would reflect them away from your head, and not towards your body. O.K some would reflect onto the metal of the car and come back towards you, but the hat would keep them away from your head. And for me it is my head that seems to feel the worse symptoms.

The hat helps, I don't feel so tired (or bad tempered) at the end of a journey.
Yes I have tried the emr detector and it does not pass through. I think the material is called cromax? It is a while since I bought it. Actually anything that is metallic helps even metallic gift wrap!

sizzle
Member
# Posted: 9 Sep 2015 10:34


I once bought those stickers that you place behind your cell phone that was supposed to deflect EMFs. There's a sucker born every minute!

Arthur
Member
# Posted: 9 Sep 2015 12:10 - Edited by: Arthur


One example of someone who call this charlatanism is Barry Trower.

agnes
# Posted: 11 Sep 2015 23:47


Arthur.
And, is he right, like always! But then, he is an Expert in the know!

But, there are simply so many "Witch doctors" out there who are trying to earn a fast buck from our condition, so half would be an overflow, and they ae praying on peoples superstitions, and many fall for it, dishing out for expensive rubbish that Has Only One Purpose!
Getting the desperate of us (and I am sure many are, as this is so difficult to live with in our society) to use our hard earned cash to buy their trinkets.' They just might get rich at our be-cost.

Well, I have worn a Copper bracelet, my mother gave it to me as she thought it lessened her pain from arthritis.
I must admit I was totally untouched by the supposed Magic, (I had a go again after reading this post, but sadly no change.
Crystals look truly lovely.
Years and years ago my husband gave me a gift of a famous Danish designer necklace (a long silver chain with a raw (not cut or polished) Amethyst which was ca. 3" wide, so if you think about it it it was Really Large. I tried wearing this after my encounter with the H3G mast made me sick, and we still were neighbors to the bl...y thing, but sadly it did not change anything, and there was certainly No Protection to fetch from its "Powers"

I have Copper and Brass stuff scattered all about my house, (as I really love these beautiful metals, and even bother to polish all once in a while) but it does nothing to deter the neighbors Wi-Fi from flooding our house, turned up high, sometimes, it will still penetrate the 3 layers of Yshield on the inside of our walls.

I read somewhere that Tilly feels fine and liberated when walking on the beach in the fresh sea air, in her own thoughts.

Well, If she has had the sense to leave her mobile phone elsewhere I can very easily understand why.

And yes Sizzle, we try out whatever is on offer with promises in the hope it works, which means that there is a sucker born every minute.

But again to Arthur.
I have no idea where you live, but there is a meeting in Stroud on the 26th of September where Barry Trower and Brian Stein will talk, organized by Andrew Tresidder,
Link: http://www.mast-victims.org/index.php?content=news&action=view&type=newsitem&id=6923
Go down to the bottom where ther is a link to the original announcement.
Best regards to you all.
Agnes

ericgeneric
Member
# Posted: 12 Sep 2015 03:35 - Edited by: ericgeneric


We all resonate at slightly different frequencies. It's what makes us human, I suppose. And why some things which help certain people, don't do anything for others.

Metal has properties. So does water. So do crystals (pretty powerful, I've found). if I try something and it doesn't help, or possibly makes me worse, I don't think....charlatan!....I think, well it's just not suited to me.

Some people swear by earthing, for instance. I know that two EHS-sensitive people exposed to the same EMR source creates simultaneous symptoms but of different kinds. As I say, we're all different and our systems respond accordingly.

Whether it's organite, shielding fabrics, shielding materials, vitamin supplements, "bloc socks", Anti-Smog clothing....everyone will react in their own way. It doesn't help that the levels of radiation that are creating Microwave Sickness in us are so high that neutralising them, or even reducing the effects of them, is difficult enough.

But it's not just talk. Talk is cheap. We can all go around saying how damaging EMR is, how evil what's happening is, and how we need to avoid this stuff. That's easy.

At least those who come up with tangible solutions to use are giving us something to protect ourselves with.

EG.

sizzle
Member
# Posted: 12 Sep 2015 22:37


This thing is, much of the "tangible solutions" are just bandages. Probably better than nothing, though it is not fixing the problem. Kind of like second hand smoke. You can wear a mask to reduce exposure or buy an air purifier, but that's not getting to the root of the problem (which would be to move away from the smoke source or get rid of the smoker). For many, getting to the root of the problem is not feasible or realistic. Whatever choice you make pretty much depends upon your circumstances and what your priorities are.

ericgeneric
Member
# Posted: 12 Sep 2015 23:30


Oh I agree. I just don't want to see all these "bandages" and ideas to help reduce the damage being done to us dismissed out of hand, and said to be the work of charlatans. Sure, there will always be companies looking to make money from a situation, but there's a difference between being exploited and deceived.

The likes of Barrie Trower, Brian Stein and their ilk have been banging on about how dangerous EMR is for years, in videos, books websites, and at seminars. Which is all well and good, but it's not of much help to actual sufferers. We KNOW. And yes, raising awareness is great, and necessary up to a point. But we are in 2015 now, not 2005, and not a single shred of progress has been made in terms of flushing out the lies and diversion tactics the telecoms, media and governments are making every single day.

If challenged to offer anything more than yet more talks on the "dangers of Wi-Fi" with complimentary biscuits, these figures seem to shrink away.

Protect yourself, is always their mantra. And, um, how do we do that? With the things produced by charlatans and witch-doctors, presumably. As there isn't a lot else being suggested or sold by their associated businesses. If you want anything now, it's got to be sourced from overseas.

It's trial and error by ourselves, basically. I can do that, but don't try and tell me the Trowers and Steins of the world are more useful than products being sold to try and physically help the symptoms.

An acoustimeter may or may not tell me what the levels are (technology moves forward so fast, the goalposts change all the time), but even if it tells me there's EMR flooding my world, then what? Is a seminar on the dangers of wifi to children going to block the radiation out? Is it going to get the masts taken down, the home hubs disconnected, the smart meter rollout stopped?

People here know there's a big problem, and have acknowledged it enough to accept their failing health is connected to the Big Telecoms Lie. That already puts us ahead of the majority of the population, as forwarned can sometimes be forearmed. So why try to discredit what options we have to increase our self-protection? I'm really disappointed in this attitude.

An acosutimeter and Barrie Trower's youtube videos are not going to keep you alive.

EG.

sizzle
Member
# Posted: 13 Sep 2015 02:00


EG--I guess a lot of us feel taken in the past by promises of better health or living environment so we're quick to ridicule. I can't really comment on any of the shielding products, but I did fall into the orgone/EMF protection gadgets trap. And I did experience some things that may have been placebo as the effects didn't last. The technology that we've depended upon for over a century uses the power of crystals and copper coils, so not everything can be dismissed as being New age voodoo.

tilly
# Posted: 13 Sep 2015 14:43


Agnes : NATURAL ENERGIES EXIST....THIS IS NOT VOODOO- IT'S REAL!

THE FIVE ELEMENTS OF LIFE ARE EARTH, WIND, FIRE, WATER AND ENERGY.
THE SIXTH ELEMENT IS CREATION !

A combination of powerful energies can be used to Hurt, Heal or Create depending on the desire of those tapping into it ie, HADON COLLIDER, HARPP, ENERGY COMPANIES, AND MENWITH HILL STATION (ENGLAND)etc, etc.

Also RADIATION is a naturally formed combination of energy elements. ...but too powerful for the human body !
The OZONE LAYER is another formation of natural elements....it was EARTH'S PROTECTIVE BARRIER....but humans damaged it !

Every electrical circuit has a copper wire attached to neutralise and since our BRAINS are worked by electrical pulses the copper is far more suitable than metal or tin foil.
Wrists only give a pulse not an electrical signal !

And yes I did have my mobile phone to the beach because the beach is so vast with no public transport and no land line call boxes ( they were decomissioned).
However the point I was trying to make is that....because the vastness and power of the sea and sand ( natural energy fields) was more powerful in their energy vibrations towards another natural and compatible element (myself)....my energy field was immediately protected from the mobile frequency.
A NATURAL FORCE will always protect against an UNNATURAL SOURCE. It's getting the balance right for yourself.

Ericgeneric.....YOU WERE SPOT ON- BRILLIANT- THANKX !

DE
# Posted: 13 Sep 2015 20:08


Tilly we have actually moved on from the earth, fire etc.

'Every electrical circuit has a copper wire .. to neutralise'. To neutralise what?

Copper wire is the most important component of electrical circuits in order to carry the electrons.
Any metal and carbon can carry electrical impulses - there is no benefit of copper wire other than it is a bit faster (and relatively cheap) in carrying electricity than some other metals.

The ozone layer protect us from uv light - reduces the uv light getting to the earth from the sun.

I will tell you this Tilly you are a better ES sufferer than I am because I could not have my mobile phone on without getting ill. And I would certainly not have it on if I were at the beach. By all means have it with you and turn it on in case of emergency but not on. A mobile phone generates emrs - microwaves - that is how it communicates with the masts.

You are right about natural and unnatural forces. Sadly the unnatural forces are getting too great and that is the problem, the natural ones no longer protect against unnatural forces.

We are protected from the cosmic rays by the earth's magnetic fields and they balance each other out. We have evolved to cope with this (otherwise there will be no life on earth).

Now we are generating so many unnatural ones they are causing illness.
Anyway that it my contribution for all it's worth.

DE
# Posted: 13 Sep 2015 20:15


The five elements of life are carbon, hydrogen, oxygen - all fats and carbohydrates contain these - in addition proteins have some nitrogen and sulphur.
Others that are important are calcium for bones and iron for blood. Other elements are needed in very small amounts. E. g. potassium, sodium, phosphorus, iodine .........

Here endeth your science lesson for today! sorry!

ericgeneric
Member
# Posted: 13 Sep 2015 21:06


Don't apologise DE, your posts are always extremely insightful.

EG.

sizzle
Member
# Posted: 14 Sep 2015 00:30


Before "technology" was introduced to the general public, this information was treated as sacred esoteric/occultic knowledge. It was viewed as magic and sorcery. No doubt much of this knowledge is still kept from the general public.

agnes
# Posted: 15 Sep 2015 02:00


Tilly, I quote you.
NATURAL ENERGIES EXIST....THIS IS NOT VOODOO- IT'S REAL!

THE FIVE ELEMENTS OF LIFE ARE EARTH, WIND, FIRE, WATER AND ENERGY.
THE SIXTH ELEMENT IS CREATION !

Well Tilly, Im sorry, I don't agree with you, as there is a world of difference between Natural and Unnatural Magnetism and Electromagnetism.
I was born and bred in a country full of Natural Energy, Natural Magnetism etc. >Iceland.
We have a lot of it on display on a daily basis, like the earth, the wind, the water, (even occasional Icebergs) and occasionally We master spectacular shows of one of our myriad of Volcano´s blowing its top and guts out.
And to boot we have Natural Electromagnetism, and loads of it.
So much that the American´s sends trainee astronauts to Iceland, for them to learn how to cope in a really hostile environment.
I know this as some of these people rented the ground floor flat in the house where we owned the top floor flat, and they told us that our country had Very special qualities for training for astronauts.

And by the way, in Iceland you can pick up pure quarts crystal (without the NON-Natural plastic and metal shavings) from every river, and chip it out of the rocks.
All we kids used to collect these crystals, and swap them between us.

But, That is Natural, Plastics is a Unnatural product, derived from oil.
And don't tel me that if you take Natural "Energizers" like Quarts Crystal and enclose it in Plastic it will do you any good, because you have actually totally closed off the chance for the crystal to work, by suffocating it by cementing it in plastic.

I totally agree with Dee, Copper is fine for earthing your electricity and carrying landline telephone lines into your home, you can even get Superfast Broadband into your house by copper wire (This BT has admitted) although it is more profitable for them to flog you a wireless BT Homehub, which microwaves, not just your own home, but all homes down the road from you, causing sickness, skin problems and distress for your neighbors, so they are Very reluctant to install that, especially All The Way to your Modem in your house.

Its all just a question of profit!

But, as you are complaining about your headaches, try turning off that Mobile Phone of yours, preferably get a "Copper" landline and put your mobile into the recycling bag.
I think you would find your headaches diminish very quickly, even disappear all together.

Like Dee, I cannot come near to others with turned on mobiles.
I cannot go into towns or cities because of the radiation, and even if I have to go into hospital acutely I have get out of there ASAP because of the masts on the roof and other patients and visitors using their mobiles
on the wards.
Agnes

Anonymous
# Posted: 16 Sep 2015 20:03


>>by suffocating it by cementing it in plastic.

"suffocating"?, and is not plastic I think?, not sure what that is supposed to mean, clearly we have not research this enough, but the resin contracts and that causes piezoelectric effect in the quartz...

there was someone in youtube with some meter, an oscilloscope I seem to remember, and indeed he detected something from the orgonite; I do remember very old research relating prana ( =orgone) to ions, negative I think, by the way the reason beaches are so beneficial, I always thought that a lot of potential ES sufferers are resisting simply because of the month a year they spend at the beaches

let me insist I dont know whether orgonite works or not, same for those copper crowns; it is just interesting, to be researched and experimented with if one finds the time

my approach is that since it is rather simple to make and cheap, you dont lose anything by having some, but the basis must be ordinary shielding, or moving out, discarding wireless devices, dont use a cell-phone... and all the rest you better very well know, on that we all agree; Barry Trower I feel rather works on social awareness-rising,

the fact that is not happening, from 2005 to 2015 as you said, is indeed the heaviest topic relevant here, it is mind-boggling beyond measure; those with the herd-mentality, waiting for the media and authorities to tell them what to think, are gonna pay very very dearly for their sheepleness

personally I came to the conclusion that people are not intelligent enough to deal with this topic; the ones doing this are simply vastly more intelligent; this topic by the way leads to what really happens "here"; it is not so difficult though, the truth is there, what the media does for example, it is blatant to see, if someone is closed to the obvious possibility that there is someone weird acting weirdly, it puzzles me that they dont become mysanthropes, since they believe they are "anthropos", although there has been mind control about loving every one and blah blah, well maybe it is difficult after all:) all was needed was eyes, maybe psychic eyes too, just a "seeing"; for me, it is a mystery that others dont "see", although, talking about voodoish things, maybe it has something to do that I refused to watch tv, practiced yoga intensely and studied occultism since very early age, around 14; seems like nothing, but leaves different "eyes"

I worte a rant about people not being intelligent enough here the other day but edited out , no point... maybe some other day after some of their EMR-caused violence :) ; have you notice weird forms of violence around? in women uses to be psychological, in men physical, can be road rage or anything...interesting to watch; if you are aware of EMR, when you feel irritable you can indeed control it

it is though fascinating to watch, now on is the time for the corpses, no doubt about it, meanwhile, living as if everything is normal; mind-boggling as I said

DE
# Posted: 18 Sep 2015 16:22


Anon,
Good bit of phylosophysing here.
I must say may be I'm one of those people that may not be clever enough to understand - I am a scientist by trade and I find this sort of thing difficult ,(although in the past I have been more spiritual than I am now!)

Incidentally I collect crystals - rose quartz, amethyst, fluorite, opal, nambulite, calcite, sulphur, cuprite, etc. but nothing to do with any effect they may have or may not have on me - just from my interest in Chemistry.

I agree with you that people are becoming more angry and violent and if they realised it is due to their exposure to microwaves they may try to do something about it.

I don't know about '..it is the time for the corpses'. people seem to get ill rather than die, except for an increase in suicides, so we have an awful lot of people that are disabled with depression, and various neurological diseases.


Agnes I could have a wonderful time collecting crystals in Iceland, but alas I hate traveling!

DE
# Posted: 18 Sep 2015 16:27


Come on Agnes, creation is not an element. It is the act of God, that many people believe, is how we got here.
I think science tries to explain how this may have happened, but this is not the aim of this website.

agnes
# Posted: 19 Sep 2015 01:13


DE, dont pick on me!

I was only quoting Tilly:

"THE FIVE ELEMENTS OF LIFE ARE EARTH, WIND, FIRE, WATER AND ENERGY.
THE SIXTH ELEMENT IS CREATION !"

If you go up to the 13-09-15 , Tilly posted this claim.
But anyway thanks for your knowledge and vigilance, it is very much appreciated.
All the best.
Agnes

charles
Member
# Posted: 19 Sep 2015 21:27


This a subject not many persons do knoiw about, not even Barrie Trower.

It has to do with *longitudinal waves*, not everybody can measure them.
Those *gizmo's* work with longitudinal waves, and of course they do not change the measurable transversal waves.
So many claim that because no change in the EMF is to be measured, so it does not work is stated.

Longitudinal waves can be reflected, as I have shown on:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina600.html

To shield a mobile, the longitudinal waves can be reflected by placing a small piece of *Sellotape* on its back.
Of course the radiation will still be the same, but the person can *feel* a difference.

I am researching the problems with elektrosmog for 17 years now, but found no workings from orgonite.
Althoigh tehre are quite a number of *gizmo's* who do have an effect, some more than others.

Ann
# Posted: 20 Sep 2015 16:43


Agnes sorry I did not notice Tilly's bit on creation - just got bogged down with elements. An overused word in the wrong context.

It is just that if you say anything about evolution some people get very upset, as a young Biology lecturer the vicar at the church told me that you cannot be a biology teacher and a Christian because you have to believe in evolution!

Many a lesson was spoilt after I mentioned the word evolution - until I learnt how to reply!

agnes
# Posted: 20 Sep 2015 19:15


Goh DE
Am I glad that the Stork brought me.

But seriously, many people use the word "Creation" wrongly, think it means ART, and use for anything like cakes through clothes (fashion?) to the Picalilly I am making now to the Blackberry jam I have in waiting.

If you ask me, that is just entrepreneurmanship, and neither ART or Creation.
Best regards.
Agnes

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