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ME
# Posted: 25 Aug 2012 14:53
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Thanks Charles and Volker for the information.

The local authority did some measurements in my home years ago.
Over 6 minutes in each room.
Peak reading in front bedroom ~ 1.3 V/m, Average reading = 0.06 V/m.
So they said that there was no problem.
A factor of x20 difference between the peak and average readings.

ME

Anonymous
# Posted: 27 Aug 2012 20:34
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Thank you all.
No I don't want anything too exact - just to let me know if there is excessive amount of microwaves or electric firleds.
The meter that I have ME3030 gives the units in V/m and nT, but you (Charles) mention micro Watts per square meter.
Thank you Volker for the MHz info.
I will consider both suggestions on detectors/metres.

Dirk
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# Posted: 3 Sep 2012 12:23
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I have used the Electrosmog detector for some years, but I didn't know that it was out of production, a shame because i found it to be a useful aid for quickly determining clean areas with a small and easy to use device although it does not show numeric values. I wonder if anybody has used the ESI23 and ESI24 Electrosmog detectors that seems to be only sale in France and Spain. They claim to measure both HIGH and LOW frequencies but I cannot find information about sensitivity, or opinion from users.

Anonymous
# Posted: 11 Sep 2012 15:51
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@Dirk

For measuring both, the LF and HF fields you either need a spektrum analyser (starting at 20,000 EUR) or one HF analyser + one LF analyser (2 devices!). ALL experts do not recommend analysers which are "able" to measure LF and HF at the same time. That does not work.
First of all the handling is extremely difficult + the values are anything but exact.

Volker

charles
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# Posted: 11 Sep 2012 16:05
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For LF as well as HF there are spectrumanalysers on the market, which do work very well, and are not so expensive as aforementioned.
See: www.aaronia .de

Anonymous
# Posted: 12 Sep 2012 14:00
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@Charles,

Those Aaronia spectrumanalysers are bullshit. Sorry, but they have been tested and used by experts in the building biology scene. NOBODY uses them as they are anything but reliable. That is a fact.

Henrik
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# Posted: 12 Sep 2012 14:47
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Anonymous,

Last time I checked, Charles is an "expert in the building biology scene".
Do you have anything verifiable to back up the claim against Aaronia analyzers?

And please keep use of swearwords to a minimum, thank you.

Anonymous
# Posted: 13 Sep 2012 15:44
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@Henrik

It was me, Volker. As I am at home due to a broken leg I cannot log in with my password :-)
You know that we have many partners who take measurements at people´s homes or in companies etc. Amongst them there are experts who can be considered as luminary in the field of HF +NF measurement. All those people say that Aaronia is not recommendable. If you take 100 experts you will see only 1 who uses Aaronia.
In the past, there was a big fight between Aaronia and Gigahertz Solutions. If you knew the guys from GS you would understand that they are anything but busybodies. They keep their focus on developing high-quality analysers. Aaronia on the other hand act like market crier. They think that they are the only ones on this planet with good analysers. Besides that they sell shielding fabrics which loose attenuation after washing but at the same time they say that this fabric is the best compared to others. This company is anything but professional. Every expert in Germany and Austria knows that.
I learned from this forum that Charles is an expert also - no doubt. I am just telling you about my experience.

charles
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# Posted: 13 Sep 2012 23:07
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The persons at GS are a bit paranoide about Aaronia.
But their customers are quite different.
GS is for laymen and building biologists, where Aaronia sells mostly to industries.

I do use meters of both companies, so I do know the differences.
If you are satisfied with broadband, and want quickly have a rough estimate how the situation is, the meters by GS are fine.
But is you want more and precise information, the Aaronia spectrumanalysers are to be prefered.

In the past very un-technical tests were done in Germany, but that was with versions 2. Now the versions 3 have been overhauled by V4.
In November the V5 will be available.

About the quality of GS meters I did publish some test results.

Btw. For my house surveys, I also do use some Endotronic detectors with special antenna's, and obtain results the other meters do have problems with.

For *dirty power* as well as *dirty air*, the Spectran NF 5030 is indispensable, because it measures between 1Hz and 30MHZ.
With the detectors I find the spots quickly, and measure them with this spectrumanalyser, and know exactly the different normal and maximum frequency anomalies.

The values of *Spitzenwerte* of the GS meters are always higher than the RMS values of the Aaronia meters, because RMS is the official norm.

Anonymous
# Posted: 14 Sep 2012 17:48
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@Charles

because RMS is the official norm.
No, that is not correct. It is the "Spitzenwert" that has to be considered.
I am not sure if you know but the whole "Building Biology" started in Germany. Again, none of those who join the Asociation of German Building Biology from the very beginning is using Aaronia.
BTW, the head of GS has graduated the technical university as one of the best students in the history of the university. They are not paranoid but upset with the poor quality.

charles
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2012 21:35
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Officially, one has to measure according to the ICNIRP guidelines.

That means RMS measurement over a period of 6 minutes.
And from these values the average has to be determined as THE measured value.

If you would look at the official measuring reports of the authorities, you will see, that that is the correct procedure.

Of course, *Spitzenwert* is biologically more relevant, but is not considered officially, how much you would like it.

What you state about Aaronia is not correct.
As a member of the Verband Baubiologie, I do use meters of several different companies, and I have written about them. I mean about practise measurements and comparisements.
But I refrain here to go into an extensive discussion.

Perhaps it would be wise when you would hold a Spectran V4 in your hands in stead of quoting like a parrot.
My comments are firsthand.

Being a good student is no guarantee for good meters.
The good use of microprocesors is.

Ann
# Posted: 22 Sep 2012 16:31
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Since I started this discussion I will get back to it. Don't ask why I have not been on this website for a while. It has been my lot in recent years that I ran around looking after sick people.

Anyway I have a conspiracy theory.
The chrome electrosmog that I find very useful is no longer in production because it has been bought by the mobile phone companies to keep people like me from becoming wise to their wireless emissions. It was cheap and easy to use.
I have found it interesting in these pages that electricity can make people unwell but I have to say until the invention of the microwave oven and then the mobile phone I cannot say that I felt the effects of electricity. It was after I bought a microwave oven that I began to feel headachy and anxious and then the mobile phone made the symptoms worse. Also I realised that passing by a mobile phone mast seemed to give me the same symptoms. Then I made the connection - microwaves! That was ifteen years after I bought the microwave oven.
And I am supposed to be very observant.

Most people just need to find the hot spots in their house and avoid them or move if they are everywhere, like one house I visited recently.
A simple electrosmog would do.

Anonymous
# Posted: 24 Sep 2012 18:35
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The electrosmog detector with its frequency Range: 50MHz to 3000MHz
will not detect everything though. For example,the 5.8 GHz wifi being used by our neighbour. Nor does it tell you how much is there.
The Electrosmog Detector does measure the level, but it is considerably more expensive.

M

Anonymous
# Posted: 24 Sep 2012 21:21
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@Ann

http://www.emfields.org/sales-discounts.asp
The Acousticom [£24] perhaps if you are happy with a detector that does not give a reading. But like the Electrosmog Detector it does not go above 3 GHz.

M

DM
# Posted: 9 Oct 2012 10:08
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Hey All,

Considering buying a canopy or making one and still having trouble determining which fabric to buy. Is there any fabric that will protect me from ALL OF THIS?
1. The "leaking" electricity from the several powerlines within 300 meters.
2. Neighbors' wireless and DECT.
3. Neighbors' smart meters on both sides, one 10 feet away from my head when I sleep
4. Cell phone towers 4-5 blocks away.
5. Multitude of antennas on top of the hospital across the street.

I am new to all of this, but I know they produce different frequencies. Is it possible to ground the fabrics like Naturell and Daylite to get more protection from lower frequencies as well as keeping the higher frequency protection? Is it advisable to "double up" and wear EMF protective clothing under the canopy? I have heard some reports of people being sensitive to the canopies themselves due to some field produced by them, does this have any significance? Sorry so many questions, I am not very knowledgeable about electricity and fields. Any information would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks:)

Anonymous
# Posted: 12 Sep 2013 23:12
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For Anonymous who lives in Las Vegas where are you getting your clothing from?

sevenx
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# Posted: 25 Nov 2013 11:17
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Bulding Biology recomandations and Bioinitiative recomandations (0.1 microW/m2 or 3-6microW/m2) are for RMS value or for peak value?

Thanks

Dirk
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# Posted: 16 Dec 2013 19:07
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I see that this thread has been idle for a while, but I am concerned that there seems to be an increase in the number of "anti-radiation" chips and cards on the market, all of these products are fraudulent and do nothing except for a possible placebo effect as noted by a previous post. Is anyone out there involved in highlighting the danger to the public of these "devices" (usually a piece of plastic or metal). The problem being that people will tend to use their phone more because they think they are protected, and those expose themselves more; or otherwise fail to take action in their home, becuase their space has been "harmonized" by one of these things. Maybe it's not ethical to name names, but these people are cynically taking advantage of people's suffering, and causing an increase in exposure to electromagnetic radiation - look these up on google for example: pranan, wavesguard, nesu... impressed by the "scientific evidence"? It's all absolute rubbish.

charles
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# Posted: 16 Dec 2013 20:43
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Hello Dirk,

reactions of many persons about my ClaeSmog can be read at:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina300.html

Btw. causing an increase in exposure to elektrosmog is not so.
The first thing persons realise is the fact, that the level of electrosensitivity has gone down.
The second thing is, that a ClaeSmog does repair the damaged immune system. And by doing that, the immune system grows again, and the level of electrosensitivity goes further down.
There are persons who travel now by public transport, and do sleep in hotels full of wifi in foreign countries.
Others do work again in offices where everybody works *wireless*.

Dirk
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2013 14:15 - Edited by: Dirk
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thanks Charles, is there any information available in english? I understand that this is a different product from the fraudulent anti-radiation chips

Henrik
Admin
# Posted: 20 Dec 2013 14:30
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charles,

You sent my mother a Claesmog. She is severely sensitive towards RF.
She wore it as prescribed for a very long time. No effect.

She then passed it to me. I lent it to two different EHS persons. One sensitive to ELF, the other to RF. They both wore it for months. No effect.

I'm wondering whether you would be willing to offer some information on what the vial contains and a little bit about how it is supposed to stimulate the immune system.
Given the above experiences, I find it a bit difficult to understand your claims and also impossible for me to recommend your invention.

If you'll offer some insight into why three willing cases failed in a row then maybe I can make some sense out of it.

charles
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# Posted: 20 Dec 2013 21:47
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Hello Henrik,

remember, it is the last point of my 30-points plan.
The ClaeSmog is designed for the general items, which electrosensitives suffer from in their health state.
If you have other underlying items, they must be treated separately.
For instance the heavy metals stored in the body, the shortage of Calcium and the apparent loss of Calcium, and other shortages of vitamins, or Schussler salts. One may have a shortage of certain Schussler salts starting at birth!

I had for instance a person, who could stand normal RF, but when a bit longer exposed, she experienced heavy stomach and intestine problems, where the tummy swelled like a 9 month pregnant.
A ClaeSpecial for this case helped enormously. No more stomach and intestine problems.

The ClaeSmog contains a lot of Rife frequencies, which are transmitted to the body by longitudinal waves.
Therefore it must be worn on the skin, preferably on the chest. Only at daytime.
Its first goal is to repair the damaged immune system. Aside to that, it also works like a protection device.
Many users benefit against RF, and feel it instantly.
It may be possible that for certain ELF sources it is not strong enough.
But as I wrote earlier, with ELF, it is not the transversal waves that harass, but the longitudinal waves, for which I presented solutions.

Be aware that with ELF, the transversal waves, which can be measured, do have a limited path, where the longitudinal waves travel much, much farther.
That is the reason why electrosensitives claim that they *feel* a source, although the meters cannot show a single source present.
Those electrosensitives are no fools, it is just that technicians do not understand the workings of elektrosmog.

GMV
# Posted: 22 Nov 2015 19:08
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QUERY:
ANTI EMF paint / fabric:
If I paint all walls and all ceilings in my flat and all floors under the carpets, how many times and where do I need to ground?
What about windows?
What about open doorways? Bathroom / kitchens etc.?
I am in a flat on the 11th floor of 24 floors and there are two masts on the roof (Metronet and Juice Radio) not to mention 100 flats with wifi.
Please advise!

horsevad
Member
# Posted: 23 Nov 2015 00:27
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QUERY:
ANTI EMF paint / fabric:
If I paint all walls and all ceilings in my flat and all floors under the carpets, how many times and where do I need to ground?
What about windows?
What about open doorways? Bathroom / kitchens etc.?
I am in a flat on the 11th floor of 24 floors and there are two masts on the roof (Metronet and Juice Radio) not to mention 100 flats with wifi.
Please advise!


Do you have access to measurement devices? If so, what are the readings in your flat?

With rather simple measures it is normally possible to reduce the field intensity to 10%. To further reduce - to 1% or even 0,1% - a more elaborate and thorough approach is normally required.

With the described location of the antennas reflection from other buildings will probably be the main source of exposure. Do you have any specific information about the antennas (frequency, EIRP, directional gain, etc) ?

What materials were used in the construction of the building?

Without specific information it is bordering impossible to provide you with any greater detail, but I can confirm that the shielding paint from Yshield is effective and works just as described on their website.

Very effective shielding is fully possible, but it requires absolute attention to details!

//Kim Horsevad

Henrik
Admin
# Posted: 23 Nov 2015 00:37
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GMV,

Given that we're talking about YShield paint, then one layer will block 99.984 % (38 dB) and two layers 99.997 % (45 dB) of the incoming radiation.

Buy or rent an EMF-meter for checking the effectiveness of the paint job. Remember to allow paint to dry completely before measuring! Otherwise non-evaporated water in the paint will allow radiation to pass and give you false results. After checking with a meter, you can paint two or more layers where necessary. Ask http://www.emfields-solutions.com about meters.

For grounding (before you paint with YShield) you can run a band of conductive metal tape across the walls, above the skirting boards, and then run a wire from that to either the earth-pin of a mains socket or a water-pipe (shielding-paint sellers have kits for that). You then paint over the metal tape which makes sure that the grounding reaches all the painted surface.

Windows can be shielded with sun-foil. See here for a table of foils and their shielding properties:
http://www.mast-victims.org/resources/docs/windowfilm.pdf
Just keep in mind that only metallic-based foils will block microwaves and beware that manufacturers have begun making chemically-based foils without EMF shielding capabilities due to complaints of mobile-phone signal loss!
Alternatively, get curtains of shielding fabric (but I think sun-foil will be the cheapest option).

If its an older building, then bathrooms often have carbon material in the walls. You can check this by drilling a small hole in the wall and see if black dust comes out.
Otherwise, to screen a bathroom properly, you'll have to take down tiles, paint the wall with YShield (and coat over with bathroom-grade paint) and then finally re-attach the tiles.

Re open doorways: as long as you screen walls, ceilings and windows, open doorways aren't the problem.

But put most effort into the rooms that you spend most time in - especially your bedroom! since proper sleep quality is most important for health and recovery after getting radiation exposure outside.

[UPDATE] I see Kim beat me to this one by 10 minutes :)
Yes, I agree with all Kim says. For antenna info, go on Ofcom's SITEFINDER and look up your address. Note: you have to zoom down to street level for antenna positions (shown as blue "balloons") to show on the map. Click the antenna positions on your building for info (shown as a pop-up) and post info here about the antenna frequencies/signal strength etc.

Anonymous
# Posted: 25 Nov 2015 09:41
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Thank you so much for this information. It is a complicated subject and I am convinced it is the 'new asbestos' or 'new tobacco' - i.e. 'they' knows it is damaging but we will only get admission after a generation of people have died!
I would like to include this info in an eBook I am writing about all the damaging elements in a home - I hope to have an intro to each area of concern with pointers to where people can get more info. If anyone here would like to submit info./ check my short chapter about this one area and in return be credited or have a website listed please email me : info@mendinghouses.com / www.mendinghouses.com. Thank you again for your help. G

ann
# Posted: 29 Nov 2015 17:42
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Gill I had a look at your website and it is very good.
Good luck to you. I hope you succeed.

akshayv
# Posted: 21 Mar 2018 08:08
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I purchased this shoes for 96-year-old aunt, rigid toes from ill-fitting shoes following hammer-toe surgery. Amputation of one toe on each foot was required. Able to wear these shoes for the following surgeries with no pain. They give her great support and are easy to put on and remove. Podiatrist recommended Orthofeet beand's shoe.

plopplop
# Posted: 21 Mar 2018 12:28
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You say "the low frequency signals from next door's DECT/wifi will not be blocked" can you explain further? My EMF material blocks wifi no problem and keeps me well. It has no problem blocking AM radio. Wave length is the problem with low frequencies. Earthing help for long waves as it shorts over a long enough distance. I would much prefer that an electric charge shorted on a piece of cloth than in my body. Our skin evolved to short out light frequency radiations but does not seem to be so good at the more penetrating lower frequencies at all. May be this is what defines EHS? Melanin is very conductive. Being white is a big disadvantage in radiations.

plopplop
# Posted: 21 Mar 2018 12:35
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Difference between Anti-Static, Dissipative, Conductive, and Insulative

https://www.gotopac.com/art-esd-resistivity

Static Electricity: As the name implies, static electricity is electricity at rest. The electrical charge is the transference of electrons that occurs when there is sliding, rubbing, or separating of a material, which is a generator of electrostatic voltages. For example: plastics, fiber glass, rubber, textiles, ect. Under the right conditions, this induced charge can reach 30,000 to 40,000 volts.

When this happens to an insulating material, like plastic, the charge tends to remain in the localized area of contact. This electrostatic voltage may then discharge via an arc or spark when the plastic material comes in contact with a body at a sufficiently different potential, such as a person or microcircuit.

If Electrostatic Discharge (ESD) occurs to a person, the results may range anywhere from a mild to a painful shock. Extreme cases of ESD, or Arc Flash, can even result in loss of life. These types of sparks are especially dangerous in environments that may contain flammable liquids, solids or gasses, such as a hospital operating room or explosive device assembly.

Some micro-electronic parts can be destroyed or damaged by ESD as low as 20 volts. Since people are prime causes of ESD, they often cause damage to sensitive electronic parts, especially during manufacturing and assembly. The consequences of discharge through an electrical component sensitive to ESD can range from erroneous readings to permanent damage resulting in excessive equipment downtime and costly repair or total part replacement.

Electrostatic discharge (ESD): The sudden flow of electricity between two electrically charged objects caused by contact, an electrical short, or dielectric breakdown. A buildup of static electricity can be caused by tribocharging or by electrostatic induction.

Anti-Static: Preventing the buildup of static electricity. Reducing static electric charges, as on textiles, waxes, polishes, etc., by retaining enough moisture to provide electrical conduction.

Dissipative: The charges flow to ground more slowly and in a somewhat more controlled manner than with conductive materials. Dissipative materials have a surface resistivity equal to or greater than 1 x 105 /sq but less than 1 x 1012 /sq or a volume resistivity equal to or greater than 1 x 104 -cm but less than 1 x 1011 -cm.2

Conductive: With a low electrical resistance, electrons flow easily across the surface or through the bulk of these materials. Charges go to ground or to another conductive object that the material contacts or comes close to. Conductive materials have a surface resistivity less than 1 x 105 /sq or a volume resistivity less than 1 x 104 -cm.

Insulative: Insulative materials prevent or limit the flow of electrons across their surface or through their volume. Insulative materials have a high electrical resistance and are difficult to ground. Static charges remain in place on these materials for a very long time. Insulative materials are defined as those having a surface resistivity of at least 1 x 1012 /sq or a volume resistivity of at least 1 x 1011 -cm.

https://www.gotopac.com/art-esd-resistivity


Have you ever measured how conductive your skin is?

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