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# Posted: 18 Dec 2012 21:34

I have always been suffering with emf sensitivity even if I didn't know it , I would space out in malls eith lots of flourescent lighting , I would get headaches from listining to my mp3 and brain fog , I can't hear as well with my left ear because I specifically put my mobile phone on it when I talked , my vision deteriorated from using the computer (I was on it 24/7) and lastly as I was using my pc + wifi via a wireless usb I kept feeling my eyes were on fire , brain fog too much and I can't understand what I was reading as usual , I wrote on google : my eyes feel like they're bleeding and thank god I kept searching till I was led to this , I usually only believe in sci. things , like my dad used to tell me don't talk on the cell phone a lot and I did anyway even though it hurts there was just no proof .

anyway ever since I've started to tell people I have emf sensitivity I'm viewed as crazy , mental etc... I live next to 3 cell towers and have a wireless router (I've always been exposed from a very young age , and when we moved )
the nearest cell tower can't be further than 50 meters but I've asked an engineer and he says it's sed to communicate with other towers and stuff like that which can't be since it has reciever dishes , I posted a question on ya and ofcourse the same response http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=An265IFnKjzY430qy_GxE0nty6IX;_ylv=3?qid= 20121214054054AArRRFp

if you didn't read the above that's fine , anyway my question is people say that radiation from wifi -pc's and cell towers is like .00000001 or something of the sun , so how can it be true that people are sensitive to it , is this true , then what is this the brain fog the ear damage the headaches the nauseousness when these devices are on am I wrong ? (scientific evidence please)

# Posted: 21 Dec 2012 17:27

To any electrohypersensitivity sufferers - and also the misinformed telecommunications industry employees .

There is no shortage of evidence of adverse health effects caused by this technology. Microwave sickness was recognosed decades ago by Russian medical researchers.

Try reading these:

http://www.magdahavas.com/austrian-medical-association-guidelines-to-diagnosing-and-t reating-patients-with-electrohypersensitivity/

Guideline of the Austrian Medical Association for the diagnosis and treatment of EMFrelated health problems and illnesses (EMF syndrome)
Consensus paper of the Austrian Medical Association's EMF Working Group ( AG-EMF)
Adopted at the meeting of environmental medicine officers of the Regional Medical Association´s and the Austrian Medical Association on 3rd March 2012 in Vienna.

Click on the webpage link to download the full Austrian Medical Association document.
Also click around Magda Havas's excellent website.


September newsletter page 9
Professor Belpomme: WHO's denial of EHS is "utter nonsense" and
"political backwardness"
Notes on an article from Robin des Toits, the French National EMF and Health Association (trans. Emilie Paniagua) , 2nd June.

French researchers have shown that (a) Electromagnetic Fields (EMFs) modify blood and brain physiology in ES people, and (b) these biological markers are dose-dependent on the intensity of the exposure. Professor Belpomme, an oncology professor at Paris Descartes University, is president of ARTAC (the Association for Therapeutic Research Against Cancer). Since 2008 his team has studied what he named Electromagnetic Fields Intolerance Syndrome (SICEM). "I have 450 patients and I see up to 20 new patients each week, including children with headaches, memory loss, attention or language problems. We have the biggest cluster in Europe of electrosensitive patients. This is a major problem in public health. We know with certainty that Electro-hypersensitivity is not psychosomatic. EMFs trigger major effects in the brain. The most important effect is the opening of the blood-brain barrier. This allows mercury, organochlorates and other toxics to pervade through the brain, where they cause diverse ailments and neurodegenerative diseases."

Professor Belpomme's team devised a diagnosis based on blood tests and an electroencephalogram (pulsed doppler echographics) enabling them to visualise blood flows in the brain, since EHS patients are sure to have troubles in brain vascularisation. Biological tests show that 30% have elevated histamine, 50% elevated stress proteins, most a very low rate of melatonin, and 30% antibodies and protein rates which indicate a thermal shock and brain damage. Half the patients also develop hypersensitivity to man-made chemicals, both syndromes sharing common brain anomalies.
Professor Belpomme says there are 3 levels of sensitivity to pollutants.
(1) Intolerance, triggered by pollutants polymorphism. "We are all different. For instance, 30% of the general population has the greatest risk of contracting cancer."
(2) Susceptibility, observed by Hardell in 16 families with more ES because of heredity. There also are active susceptibility factors, "such as dental amalgams which act up as antennas", catching the waves.
(3) Two steps: (i) Induction, with over-exposure to a specific frequency of EMFs, either in an acute or chronic way, such as speaking on a mobile phone for 20 minutes a day, when the first signs of hypersensitivity are pain and a feeling of heat in the ear. (ii) Development of the disease. Sensitivity builds up and the person becomes intolerant to all frequencies.
Dr Philippe Irigaray, the ARTAC research coordinator and nutritional specialist, underlines that the human brain contains magnetosomes, iron oxides which behave like magnets. ES could depend on their quantity, which varies from person to person.

Professor Belpomme says immediate action is required to reduce over-exposure of people to EMFs. In France alone, an estimated 5% of people are electrosensitive, and the proportion rises with the spread of wireless technologies. "Studies show that 10 to 50% of population will face becoming very intolerant to EMFs in the next 25 to 50 years. Two patients of mine have been hit by multiple sclerosis triggered by over-use of cell phones, 3 cases of breast cancer, among which 2 relapsed after over-exposure to EMFs, daily use of computers - and proof is building up against autism and Alzheimer's disease, which seem to be triggered with higher risk than cancer by EMF exposure. Causality is really possible."
Professor Belpomme considers the World Health Organization claim of 2005 that ES symptoms could be psychosomatic or linked to other causes (bad vision, poor air quality, poor ergonomics, etc) as utter nonsense. "This is a political backwardness which shows nothing of scientific nature. WHO will have to revise its judgment in the upcoming months. This is societal denial which doesn't take into account current knowledge which is continuously building up." According to Professor Belpomme, the cause-consequence link between EMFs and leukaemia is no longer to be doubted. "When doses shoot up, leukaemia shoots up accordingly. Dozens of toxicological lab studies show that in the most obvious way, in vivo and in vitro."

# Posted: 21 Dec 2012 17:29


# Posted: 21 Dec 2012 17:38

Go to: http://www.radiationresearch.org/

Click on the link to the video - Resonance Beings of Frequency
Duration: 1 hour 28 minutes. It is well worth watching.

# Posted: 21 Dec 2012 17:50

Go to the BEMRI website [ www.bemri.org]
Read the 6 articles on electrohypersensitivity

http://bemri.org/component/docman/cat_view/2-publications/5-biological-effects-of-non -ionizing-radiation/46-electrosensitivity.html?Itemid=4

Scientists speak up about dangerous radiation by Morné Malan, Radiation, Edition 9, 2011

Fielding a current idea: exploring the public health impact of electromagnetic radiation by S J Genuis, Public Health (2008) 122, 113–124.

Electrosensitivity: A Patient with Burn-like Skin Manifestations. Christine Aschermann, originally published in Umwelt-Medizin-Gesellschaft 24(2): 141-146, 2011.

Electromagnetic hypersensitivity: Fact or fiction? S J Genuis & C T Lipp, Science of The Total environment, Volume 414, 1 January 2012, pages 103-112.

ELECTROMAGNETIC HYPERSENSITIVITY: EVIDENCE FOR A NOVEL NEUROLOGICAL SYNDROME by D E McCarty et. al., International Journal of Neuroscience, July 28, 2011.

Electrical Sensitivities and the Electrical Environment
A shortened and edited version of notes written for and in cooperation with The Breakspear Hospital, Hemel Hempstead by Cyril W. Smith.

Also read the articles on the health damage caused by phone masts.

# Posted: 21 Dec 2012 18:29

You can now also buy a DVD of 'Resonance - Beings of Frequency'

# Posted: 21 Dec 2012 18:32


# Posted: 21 Dec 2012 18:39

Victim Report presented at 1st Bamberger Mobile Telephony Symposium, in Bamberg, Germany on 29th January 2005.
Speaker: Christine KIND

Our „Life" in the Main Beam of a Mobile Phone Base Station for

# Posted: 21 Dec 2012 18:43

Look up articles and videos by
[1] Professor Olle Johansson, Karolinska Institute, Sweden.
[2] Dr Gerd Oberfeld
[3] Barrie Trower

# Posted: 21 Dec 2012 21:03

You asked on the yahoo website:
"is that good or bad ? also is it normal to get the same reading in all rooms ? considering that I have a cell phone tower less that 50 meters of distance in front of my house and 2 more in a radius of 300 meter distance , also a wireless router as do my neighbours , yet when I get the tenmars 194 close to the router the reading is still 0.003 mw/cm2!
help I have emf sensitivity , also what kind of meter would you recommend ?"
The yahoo website answer was wrong and it was probably written by a telecoms engineer.
0.003 mW/cm2 is absolutely NOT the Natural background level of radiation on the whole planet. !

You are very close to, and I suspect possibly living in the main beam of, the phone mast 50 metres away. You are also exposed to 2 phone masts 300 metres away. You are electrohypersensitive [EHS] and are suffering ill-health. You are getting a horrendous exposure and my advice is to move away ASAP and to get rid of your wifi modem immediately. Replace it with wired Ethernet connection. Your neighbours will have wifi it is true and possibly DECT cordless phones too, as well as maybe mobile phones.
I am not convinced that you are getting an accurate reading anyway at the lower end of the Tenmar meter mW/cm2 scale. The Tenmars 194 meter that you are using is designed for measuring high levels of exposures e.g. leakages from microwave ovens and it covers only very high exposures. It is not really suitable for doing your environmental measurements.
You need to buy or else hire equipment to measure what you are actually getting in your home and where it is coming from different sources.

Do not be deceived by the seemingly low Tenmars 194 reading 0.003 mw/cm2 [milliwatts per square cm] units. You need to convert the reading into microwatts per square metre to give a meaningful reading. What you buy is a matter of what you want to measure and how much you can afford. You need to consider carefully what sources there are in the environment and their frequencies. A meter which measures up to 3 or 3.5 GHz will detect 2.4 GHz Wifi but it not detect 5.8 GHz Wifi.
Let us first convert your reading in mw/cm2 into microwatts per square metre.
mW [milliwatts] x 1000 x 10000 = microwatts per square metre
using this formula to calculate exposure in all rooms
0.003 mW/cm2 = 0.003 x 1000 x10000 = 30,000 microwatts per square metre.
At that level, I am not surprised that you are feeling ill!
Research studies carried out near masts have found increased ill health and also increased cancers in residents living near phone masts compared with those living over 500 metres away. The Naila Study in Germany by Dr Eger in 2004 and the study by Wolf and Wolf in Israel in 2004 showed increased cancers in people living within 400 – 500 metres of a mast.

German Bamberg doctors found adverse health was suffered by patients being exposed in their homes to 10 microwatts per square metre.
22/07/2005 - German Doctors unite on RF health effects

I use a gigahertz solutions HFE35C and HFW 35C meter. Also an Acoustimeter from EMFields. There are other meters on the market.
Anyway, look up the gigahertz solutions webpage and look at their videos in the multimedia section about how to use the meters.
Also look up Tom's Gadgets, EMFields, powerwatch.org.uk, Radiation Research Trust, ES-UK, Mast Sanity, Wireless Protection, EMF Clothing,

# Posted: 21 Dec 2012 21:52


Brilliant answers.


# Posted: 21 Dec 2012 22:26

Also, I forgot to mention ElectricForester.
Have a look at this website. http://www.electricforester.co.uk/


It is about the EU Council ofEurope Resolution.
Resolution 1815 (2011)1
The potential dangers of electromagnetic fields and their effect on the environment

Also look here:

# Posted: 24 Dec 2012 21:22


Have a look at the Electromagnetic Man too.

# Posted: 1 Jan 2013 19:25

omg M thank you for all your answers you have no idea how much you've helped me , and especially with the m/w cm2 thing , I searched all websites but I just couldn't understand what I wanted , you see I can't spend lots of time on the computer ever since I got the LED screen , but with not using the wireless it's a little bearable ,

I have some questions about the wireless router , If I go to the wireless router and uncheck the enable wireless option , that turns it into a normal router right ? because I still feel bad when I sit next to it even s at it's LAN state .
Also I wanted to build a faraday cage with aluminum foil (poor girl's shield) and I put a cell phone in it and it does not ring ; however , After watching resonance beings of frequency , I saw schumann resonance and how people get headaches if they were blocked from it , and I saw around this site before how people felt worse after staying in their canopies or faraday cages , so I was wondering is it a good idea to build one ??

- could I build one and build an oscillator to frequent schumann resonance ? but how do I get it accurate like it is in nature ! , honestly I'm at A loss
- I also saw something called orgonite , it's just from one extreme solution to the other , because frankly I can't move , (sorry for the rambling to come but)
I live in a third world country and I'm still a student at college so I live with my parents (you can't work without a degree, or with for that matter) and the damn government just decided to build a cell phone tower over night , I've got depression and inability to concentrate not to mention severe headaches , unfortunately I'm the youngest and the only one who gets it .
- in here our laws state that a cell phone tower is not dangerous if it's built 6 metes away from you !!!!!!!!!! like they only have to not build it in your back yard ! . I try to eat healthy but you can't beat radiation 24/7
plus for those who keep telling me the sun is more severe in radiation terms , the sun doesn't penetrate buildings ! . well anyway thanks M , I'm gonna use the information you have given me and write a report and distribute it on those who fall within the beam's range although I doubt they can do anything as long as the gov. is taking money

- I've also considered getting a cell phone tower jammer
http://www.chinavasion.com/china/wholesale/Security_Equipment/Jammers/Silencer-Full_S pectrum_Cellphone_Jammer_CDMA_GSM_3G , but I have no idea if it's a waste of time and money

# Posted: 1 Jan 2013 19:34

Oh I forgot to ask about the meters , can I just get the tri field meter since it measures everything or is the radius also as bad as the tenmars ?

# Posted: 2 Jan 2013 15:21

Black on White



# Posted: 2 Jan 2013 16:41


This documentary about cell phone radiation and the collusion between the government and the telecoms industry is well worth watching. About an hour long.
It is available here
It's about an hour long.

1. Get rid of that wifi modem. Instead use an ethernet connection modem.
2. I have a canopy over my bed using Swiss Shield Naturelle shielding material.
3. Ignore comments by those who compare the sun to microwave frequency range. They do not know one end of the electromagnetic spectrum from the other!
4. Can you just rely on a Trifield meter ? No. I would get yourself a dedicated meter for measuring the exposures.
5. Cell phone jammer - illegal im many countries.
To jam it has to emit a high frequency signal.
So you are subjecting yourself to the signal from that.
The manufacturers do not actually state the level of the emissions from
their device or the exposures at different distances.


# Posted: 2 Jan 2013 16:44



# Posted: 2 Jan 2013 16:48

Health risk of cellphone jammers in French cinemas | La Vie Verte

May 29, 2009 ... Cellphone jammers are illegal in most countries (the military excepted) ... by the case of Belgian soldiers operating in Afghanistan who started showing symptoms of electrohypersensitivity last August – nausea, headaches etc.


# Posted: 2 Jan 2013 17:10

TRIFIELD METER specification

Radio/microwave covers 10 to 1000 microwatts/square cm which includes the maximum permissible public exposure levels in all countries.

10 microwatts per square centimeter =
10 x 10000 microwatts per square metre =
100,000 microwatts per square metre

1000 microwatts per square cemtimetre =
1000 x 10000 microwatts per square metre
10,000,000 microwatts per square metre

The range of the Trifield Metre is from
100,000 to 10,000,000 microwatts per square metre.

That is why I would not use it as the only meter.


By the way, if you get a Trifield meter make sure it is suitable for the electrical power used in your country - 50 Hz or 60 Hz.

# Posted: 3 Jan 2013 20:14

Phone mast radiation can travel through plain glass windows, the walls, the roof, ceilings. When we first started having problems with the phone mast radiation here here the first thing that i tried was some aluminium foil at the windows. That was where it was coming through most.
We later changed the windows for Pilkington K double-glazed glass windows.
That helped a lot. The number of phone masts has increased and the power of the existing phone masts has been cranked up by the operators.
DECT cordless phones belonging to neighbours, their mobile phone use and also their wifi transmissions are also a problem.

# Posted: 5 Jan 2013 21:20

Bioinitiarive Report 2012

It is NOW available online.

# Posted: 5 Jan 2013 22:59

Well there it all is, in black & white (and colour). The truth.

It really is time for this madness to end.


# Posted: 15 Jan 2013 14:22


I don't know what country you live in or what the infrastructure is there.
A problem here [UK] is that BT [Btitish Telecoms] customers are supplied with equipment that not only supplies the WLAN for in the house, but there are also TWO additional wifi sources for WiFi that broadcast outside making the outside area polluted too. Simply turning the modem off does not necessarily turn off all the wif signal, as a contact discovered,
BT opt-in customers to the BTFon, unless they opt-out .
The BTFon is blanketing the area where we live.
Check how many wifi sources there are with your equipment.
Enquire about what is being broadcast from your system and your neighbours.

I would forget trying to make a Schuhmann resonance device.

I have enquired of an electrical engineer about the aluminium foil blocking the Schuhmann Resonances. However, a problem could be that you pick up household electrical fields on the foil. That could make you feel worse. If so, then you might try earthing it.
Look up earthing on the www.powerwatch.org.uk website.

# Posted: 15 Jan 2013 15:32

Radiofrequency Protection for You and Your Family – Section 4

in the articles section

# Posted: 16 Jan 2013 15:37

Thank you I live in Egypt actually , and my router range goes beyond my house as well , I checked the router website it's ssid broadcast 11g , is that what you mean ? and I don't really know what my neighbors have , I have a friend with a mast right above his building but when they installed it they told him people right below it won't be affected , is this true?

why should I drop the schumann thing ?

I am gonna ground the foil by putting a copper wire on it and burying the tip in the back yard but I hear someone say that this picks more signals from outside once so I'll have to read more on earthing . thanks anon.

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