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Torment
# Posted: 10 Feb 2014 20:18
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Open Mind Lecture....I wish I had seen this much sooner....If you havn't already, this SO worth watching....and does anyone know if there are now safe level guidelines for childrens exposure to wifi.....Barrie Trower also tells us about a possible way to have masts removed. Also, I am very interested to know if any of the issues raised have been addressed by the relevant parties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xgJmeQaQmc

ericgeneric
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2014 02:08
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Thanks for sharing!

Very interested about the mast removal information....how far into the clip is that?

EG.

Torment
# Posted: 11 Feb 2014 08:51
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Hi ericgeneric, it's quite near the end....basically the mast operators have most likely not consulted the local residents to find out if anyone have has any chronic illness which might mean a mast would cause them further health problems.....as stipulated in icnirps rules.....apparently the mast operators just don't do it.....and it has formed the basis of argument for successful removal of masts.

It really is the one of the most useful lectures I have watched.

Henrik
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2014 11:48
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ericgeneric,

Its at 1 hour 19 min. into the talk. Here a link that takes you straight to it:
http://youtu.be/5xgJmeQaQmc?t=1h19m30s

A scan of the page from the original ICNIRP document that Barrie talks about in that segment can be downloaded from our archive, here:
http://www.mast-victims.org/resources/docs/icnirp-seperate-guidelines-children.jpg

This underlined parts have been removed from the ICNIRP guidelines documents, that you can download from their website, after it was used successfully against the industry to get masts taken down as described by Barrie.

Torment
# Posted: 11 Feb 2014 11:49
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The piece about having a mobile phone mast removed starts at 1hr 19mins 39seconds...Just listened to it all again and got even more from it...so much useful information.

Henrik
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2014 12:12
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I have to correct myself: the sections mentioned by Barrie are still available from the ICNIRP website. They've just moved it into their "Philosophy" document which seems to be the same as the one published in Health Physics 2002, vol 82 (4).

Get it here: http://www.icnirp.net/documents/philosophy.pdf
(see page 9, "People being protected")

In the other documents (that Industry & govt. quote) I can't find any reservations for children, chronically ill or elderly. If anyone finds such a reservation, I'd like to know.

ericgeneric
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2014 14:05
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Direct link was very helpful, thanks Henrik.

So you're saying that this reservation he talks about (page 545) isn't as clear as Barrie Trower claims? Or am I misunderstanding?

Also, what can ordinary people do with this bombshell? If Citizens Advice, Lawyers, Parish Councils and MPs refuse to get involved, what are the options?

EG.

Henrik
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2014 15:28
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ericgeneric,

Not sure yet.

But if you take it as the underpinning principle for all the other ICNIRP guidelines/statements then I guess its still a strong argument.

ericgeneric
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2014 17:14
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I agree. I've already got so much documented evidence that other aspects/stages of the process were not adhered to when our mast went up in 2004, yet nobody wanted to challenge it. The council simply removed all the evidence from their websites and archives, but not until I'd saved hard copies.

So even with this new angle, I am sceptical of the same bodies being interested now. But they bloody well should be.

EG.

Torment
# Posted: 11 Feb 2014 19:00
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Don't know if this of any use.....

- Researcher Mikko Ahonen (myself) and my colleagues in 2012 testified in a case where a mobile phone base station broke down several times a pace-maker of an elderly woman. Based on this testimony, the mobile phone base station was removed from her roof. (Good to know: Electronics is tested till 3 V/m, while ICNIRP-guidance level allows humans to be irradiated till 41 V/m.)

found this on the link below.....about 2/3rds of the way down the green list on the left of the page....heart problems and pulsed radio frequency (RF) radiation. Certainly affects my heart.

http://beyondradiation.blogs.com/mblog/2012/05/heart-problems-and-pulsed-radiofrequen cy-rf-radiation.html

Henrik
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2014 00:02
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Torment,

Was looking at this earlier, from Dr. Martin L Pall:

"Electromagnetic fields act via activation of voltage-gated calcium channels to produce beneficial or adverse effects."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3780531/

"The role of increased intracellular Ca2+ [calcium] following EMF exposure was already well documented more than 20 years ago, when Walleczek reviewed the role of changes in calcium signalling that were produced in response EMF exposures. Other, more recent studies have confirmed the role of increased intracellular Ca2+ following EMF exposure..."

ericgeneric
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2014 01:02
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Interesting...

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=increased+calcium+levels

EG.

Torment
# Posted: 13 Feb 2014 11:37
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Henrick, ericgeneric....thankyou, information re calcium very interesting.

I have been trying to find out about the case of the lady with heart monitor.....and how she got the mast on her roof removed...and her basis for argument (obviously that it was affecting her pacemaker)...did she invoke the ICNIRP rule re: Mast company checking with the local community to find out if anyone had health problems etc.

Maybe outdated by now...but would be interesting nontheless....and maybe not a big issue to the mast company as they would just move it to another roof.

I am not very experienced in researching and couldn't come up with anything.....but I thought the case would be interesting....and could it set some sort of precedent?

tilly
# Posted: 24 Feb 2014 23:56
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Torment: just read your post from the 10 Feb on the Open Mind Conference and clicked on link. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING THIS VERY INFORMATIVE PIECE.
I was so impressed I had to hear the full speach, Part one and two.

Barrie Trower is a very brave man to disclose information that will be damaging to many departments in Government as I'm sure they already know of the health dangers that exist for many exposed to these emissions from mobiles, masts, wi-fi , etc etc

This is information that needs to be shown to the general public by the mainstream media.
This afternoon I contacted my area city councillor alongside a journalist and passed on the web link so they can take it further.
I will also hopefully tomorrow contact the television station STV or EORPA and push for them to air the Trower report as an investigative documentary.

The worrying trend where I live is the fact masts are being erected next to Primary Schools.

Best wishes Torment.

Torment
# Posted: 27 Feb 2014 18:38
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Thankyou tilly, I am so pleased you found the talk interesting and to read of what you are trying to do re television and journalist. I would be very interested to hear of what happens.

I am not sure where you are located...if UK then it might be worth contacting the Health Protection Agency 01980 612805 as they told me masts next to primary schools is something they may be able to deal with.

ericgeneric
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# Posted: 27 Feb 2014 18:44
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The HPA is called something else now, Public Health England or something. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

And I'd surprised if they were still interested in stopping masts, as their Chief Executive could barely conceal her contempt of the subject of EMRs posing danger to human health at the Smart Meter hearings in Parliament.

Schools can also be swayed by the lure of free computers and tablets.

EG.

agnes
# Posted: 28 Feb 2014 01:26
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Tilly. (Eric and Torment as well)

You write:
"Barrie Trower is a very brave man to disclose information that will be damaging to many departments in Government as I'm sure they already know of the health dangers that exist for many exposed to these emissions from mobiles, masts, wi-fi , etc etc"

It is not that Barry is Brave, Barry has his KNOWLEDGE and INFORMATION in order.

Just look at this, and please read down and SEE who the government participants of that conference were! (And I will bet you Barry has known about this since 1973! (If nothing else, then that is his style)

Extract:
"Sixty participants from the following countries and from WHO attended: Canada, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, the Federal Republic of Germany, France, the German Democratic Republic, Japan, Poland, Sweden, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the United States of America."

So when the sh.. hits the fan and they have a major "Environmentally Induced Epidemic" on their hands, they will have NOWHERE to hide as they, these governments, have known this since 1973, and still do their best to hide it as it is: Money in the Till!!"

Read the article here please: And Tilly if you have actually cought a live journalist who is Willing to listen to you and do/publish something about it, give him this for starters!

THEY KNEW! 1973 WHO symposium on Microwaves
http://www.mast-victims.org/index.php?content=news&action=view&type=newsitem&id=6321
Best regards.
Agnes

agnes
# Posted: 28 Feb 2014 01:28
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Tilly. (Eric and Torment as well)

You write:
"Barrie Trower is a very brave man to disclose information that will be damaging to many departments in Government as I'm sure they already know of the health dangers that exist for many exposed to these emissions from mobiles, masts, wi-fi , etc etc"

It is not that Barry is Brave, Barry has his KNOWLEDGE and INFORMATION in order.

Just look at this, and please read down and SEE who the government participants of that conference were! (And I will bet you Barry has known about this since 1973! (If nothing else, then that is his style)

Extract:
"Sixty participants from the following countries and from WHO attended: Canada, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, the Federal Republic of Germany, France, the German Democratic Republic, Japan, Poland, Sweden, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the United States of America."

So when the sh.. hits the fan and they have a major "Environmentally Induced Epidemic" on their hands, they will have NOWHERE to hide as they, these governments, have known this since 1973, and still do their best to hide it as it is: Money in the Till!!"

Read the article here please: And Tilly if you have actually cought a live journalist who is Willing to listen to you and do/publish something about it, give him this for starters!

THEY KNEW! 1973 WHO symposium on Microwaves
http://www.mast-victims.org/index.php?content=news&action=view&type=newsitem&id=6321
Best regards.
Agnes

tilly
# Posted: 2 Mar 2014 09:17
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Hi Agnes, I feel that Barrie Trower waited for the right time to reveal his info ! The public would not have been ready to understand the implications as it is only in the last 10 years or so mobile phones were readily available to the majority especially the younger generation. Also it is only now THE AWAKENING of many to what is happening in the world
Is taking place, especially the knowledge and proof of very corrupt Governments worldwide and not only a select few. The time is right as to be able to fight this CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY by coming together. This would not have been possible a few years back.

As I try and research alongside investigate the different organisations involved (so, so, many!) I seem to fall further down the rabbit hole. One connection leads on to another and so on and so on.

I decided to work my way out from the point nearest to me -my CITY COUNCIL!
This I suggest for others to do.
I was given the LOCAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN - MAIN ISSUES REPORT - JAN 2014.
from the local library. Anyone can get a copy free of charge for their local area.

I also went online (a 5 min rush) as the library has new very large computer screens, which
Give me very large headaches. However I printed off my City Council Telecommunications
Legislation and Health Issues report. It does not make good reading !
Example of an extract from report :
The Scottish Planning Policy (SPP) is clear that planning authorities should support the expansion of telecommunications infrastructure and that masts, antennae and equipment are sited and designed to minimise visual impact and intrusion.
THE PERCEPTION OF HEALTH RISK IS NOT A MATTER THAT THE PLANNING SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO ADDRESS. IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT INDIVIDUALS WITH CONCERNS SHOULD CONTACT "OFCOM" OR THE GOVERNMENT.

In the main issues report there is a response form to send back....YIPEE!.....
I will send my reply with love...

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