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Barbara
Member
# Posted: 5 Jan 2015 01:51


Hi all, another affected here. I am sensitive to wifi, have skin rash when exposed to a close one for a while and headache/feeling of head boiling as when talking on mobile phone... and was determined to move and have all wired, no wifi, no mobile, and ask neighbours to do so, at least try. The first night i slept at the new place i was with unexpected heavy convulsions i have never had before, that i can remember, and had a severe pain at the right side of the chest. I thought it was stress and exhaustion related. The day after i look through the window and i saw it. A phone mast at 20m or less right in front of the house! Facing directly the bed, our heads pointin to it.
After a few days there, a week, I have back my wifi rash and its bigger. I hear a constant hum and feel like my head is boiling all the time. Short tempered and bad humoured i just want to get out there. We have a week at the old flat and are there now in the empty flat with a mattress on the floor...
Myself i could be fine, but it is hell to think about my three year old being zapped.
The house is shared ownership, so they could be a bit more simpathetic, i wonder. Tomorrow is the first day after christmas, and will start the battle.
Does any of you know if the housing co. should have informed us about the mast? They have informed about buckwheat that damages the building, present nearby. Not about the mast that damages us.
Does anybody know if one has a sort of "warranty"? in shared ownership purchases in this kind of situations, health theatening issues in the property...
I had a quote for renting a meter, and it is too expensive, anybody knows about a decent reliable meter we could buy?
Could i borrow/ rent a meter from any of you living in London?
The mast is a signal reception amplifier, as far as i have found out. Do you know of a list of kinds of masts easy enough to see which kind of thing is our
More questions to you, sorry, how can i find oit at coucil, exactly what deparent i have to ask about the planning permission of this thing. And how to ask the mobile company the same, if they are going to renew or not... Can one trust this guys??
Thank you all.

Anonymous
# Posted: 5 Jan 2015 16:32


Barbara.

I am EHS too

I am dismayed that you find yourself in this situation .
It is vitalto do the research properly and thoroughly before choosing a home

A HF meter is essential when looking for a home,
not just for detecting the phone masts, but also detecting WiFi/ DECT phone signals smart meter in your or neighbouring properties..

you say it is too dear to hire a meter.I suggest that you reconsider this.

believe me ,it is money well spent.It costs a lot more for shielding materials

what are the windows?plain glass?WE HAVE pILKINGTONk GLASS IN OUR WINDOWS. ITR EFLCKTS THE MICROWAVE FREQUENCIES.

The important thing is to measure you exposures in your home.

did you ask the housing company about phone masts?

i do not know about the warranty or legal position.

I suspect it is a question ofLet theBuyer Beware!



I am Up North and cannot help with your measurements

things for you to do for yourself:

1. look up Powerwatch www.powerwatch.org.uk
2. look up EMFields their online shop that sells meters and hires them .

I suggest that you hire the Acoustimeter for a week.

3 ring planning officer in the planning department, at the local council for details of planning permission.

4.you should be able to find the planning application details anyway on the local council website.


4. what do you count as too expensive for a meter??

ES

Anonymous
# Posted: 5 Jan 2015 17:41


you yourself do not have wireless devices. excellent.

You are in London Does the borough have Wimax? ???

Are there WiFi transmitters on the lampposts?



http://media.withtank.com/71ada80e9b/aschermann_electrosensitivity_final_20111.pdf

Christine Ascherman

Electrosensitivity : A Patient with Burn - like Skin Manifestations



you erote that you want to get out of there.

Yes, indeed you need to get out of there.


you mentionsensitivity to wi Fi and a rash on the back.can you photograph ithe rash, as evidence??

http://www.es-uk.info/information.html

look a the articles by dr. christine aschermann
especially this one:;A a patient with burn- like manifestations.

Anonymous
# Posted: 5 Jan 2015 17:52


Barbara

Look here
http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/rf/masts.asp

alasdair Philips mentions a government websit e for looking up the locations of phone masts. the government sitefinder.

he also mentions a document by AlanMeyer of Mast Action.


http://www.mastaction.co.uk/




ES

Anonymous
# Posted: 5 Jan 2015 20:21


If you have notlooked at the SSITA weebsite,have alook at:

http://ssita.org.uk/british-doctors-initiative/

Anonymous
# Posted: 5 Jan 2015 20:26


and the videos here on the SSITA websitehttp://ssita.org.uk/videos/

Professor Olle Johansson

Anonymous
# Posted: 5 Jan 2015 20:30


Videos on the SSITA website


websitehttp://ssita.org.uk/videos/

Wi-Fi in Schools – The Facts – Explanatory Video on Wi-Fi.




Safe & Smart 4 r Kids – reduce wireless radiation.




BBC Panorama Wi-Fi – A Warning Signal


Health Dangers of Wi-Fi in Schools




Wi-Fi in Schools Proven Dangerous




Testing for Microwave Radiation Dangers in the Classroom – Wi-Fi in Schools

Barbara
Member
# Posted: 6 Jan 2015 05:23


Hi all, thank you very much for your answers. And sorry for clunky English, not my first language.
I went to the council to ask about permission of this mast, and the guy told me that once the antena is up it is up to telecom company to remove. So the permission is indefinite. I asked if we as new neighbours can claim to be affected and ask to remove it and again said it was with the phone company that we had to deal with, not the council.
Went to citizen advice bureau and asked about our rights regarding purchase of the house and they said we cant do anything, that it is not the responsability of seller, wether a housing or not, to tell us about surroundings. By the way, in the first post i meant knotweed, that is been mentioned in the info. :/
Asked also the housing association if they could relocate us, swap for another property and they say (we onyl comunicated with the person who sold us the house but need to ask another department) it is all in the info given to us when we applied to the house, that is entirelly our fault, hard to swallow but true.
They dont want to swap nor help in any way. They say we can sell if we want.
Then we need to call "shelter" but i am sure it will be the same.
I went to the gp and told her about my skin rash, hum hearing and headache, that "by chance" are simmilar to other people affected by a phone mast, and she said that it is impossible that in a week i have any sort of reaction to the mast. How is your experience? Told me that i have a flu and the rash is fungus. After a small debate about the subject she said that they only are concerned about children exposed to radiation long term. Therefore theres an effect! Why waiting to the long term?
Our lawyer also said it is not the housing association responsability to inform etc. So nothing to do there.
So now we have to assume that we didnt look properly when buying the house that is the hard reality.
And have to deal with it, and tmobile. I love the idea of buying a share and go to a meeting with a coffee in hand, but i am sure i will not have the magic persuasion of the lady mentioned here in one of the posts. How to make pressure to tmobile? Picture of my rash, and explanation of my syntoms doesnt seem enough since, as the gp said, theres no proven connection to the phone mast. Is there?
Does anybody here have experience with tmobile?
I just cant believe how unlucky we have been.
And yes, i agree that a meter is money well spent, still now it is hard to think that after the huge amount of money we have spent we still have to carry on! A bed canopy the sheet underneath, and yshield paint, curtains and glass film plus meter adds up. We should shield ceiling and roof, shouldnt we?
I am not sure what kind of glass we have. But we definitively will no be able to afford to change it. I need to find out.
My son has started to say he has psin in one eye, the hands, the knee, god it is scary and it could be theres nothing to do with the mast but how to know! I dont want to freak out but he has never mentioned those "random" pains... Do you habe any simmilar experience?
Thank you for all the info you send me. It is a great support to feel i am not alone.

Anonymous
# Posted: 6 Jan 2015 10:11


Dear ES, thank you the links. The web of mast action is very good.
Anonimous, thanks for info, my rash isnt that espectacular but yes its there. How can anybody say that a mast can not do harm with such evidence! The videos i will watch them when i have internet, thanks.

agnes
# Posted: 6 Jan 2015 12:33


Dear Barbara.
The rash you get is something I have also had for over 10 years now.
There was instaaled a 3G mast 20 meters from our house, and your GP is totally wrong, we went sick within 20 minutes after the mast was activated, in 2003, and we had to abandone our house where we lived and also worked from, and the symptomst have only acellerated since.
We now cannot come near to houses/places with wi-fi or people with mobile phones.
I can pinpoint the cause of the rash (on my hands and feet) as it comes on very quickly after I have been near to someone with a phone in their pocket f.inst.
I have photos and will ask Henrik (MV webmaster) to put them into this space.
Henrik also has a rash on his back.
The worst symptoms I find are the debilitating headaches, the nausea and beeing sick, the problems with balance when this happens, the sleeplessness and the rash. My husband gets Tinnitus when he gets microwaved, as well as headaches.

I do Not call it EHS, as I have no problems with electricity whatsoever, EHS seems to be a kind of wastebasket where it is convenient to bury environmental pollution in, I call it Electromagnetic Microvave Radiation (EMR) Pollution.
I doubt if TMobile would even answer your query, and they would certainly be even more unhelpful than the authorities and housing association.
We took the phone company H3G (now 3) to court and lost our case, even though the accounts of H3G witnesses were visible lies.
If you want to write to me you are more than welcome, I am the owner of mast-victims.org, my name is Agnes, like you I am not English, (Icelandic) but live in this country.
My e-mail
If you like you can e-mail me directly:
agnes@mast-victims.org

ES
# Posted: 6 Jan 2015 12:34


Barbara,
I also react very quickly to the microwave frequency radiation from phone masts, mobile phones,wifi, Dect etc.

And yes,I do react quickly.



the gp says there are no no proven links to phone masts. they are wrong! they are just parroting what the government tells them to say.
THERE ARE STUDIES SHOWING ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS OF PHONE MASTS.

Refer them to the book about EHS by Michael Bevington
, available from the ES-IUK website, either as a book, or as a file to down load.


some years ago, when i first became sensitised, as the main problem was the plain glass windows andlanding windosw, initially i put thick aluminium foil on the windows, then later removed it and put up shielding netting.

beware of putting aluminium foil on the wall.it can pickup electrical fields.
it would need earthing.look at info on the powerwatch website


As for mei am wearing shielding clothing
ES


when there was more money in the bank, i changed the windows.

i now have a tent made of shielding voile - it looks like a heath robinson construction,style , as self made from3 pieces of voilematerial.
I am guessing that you have 4G therefrom the t-mobile mast??

i found that Chromax previously used was not good enough when the mast was upgraded by EE [ EE company is T-Mobile +Orange] from 3G to 4G..
4 G is very bad.

I have EXEL material behind the front door lining a thicker door curtain that helps reduce the draught.

ME







upstairs


Dr Erica -Mallery -Blythe gave an interesting talk about
electrohypersensitivity at a meeting of th British Ecological Society last year. Her talk is available on video on the SSITA website.

the rash

Proffessor Olle Johansson at KarolinskaInstitute in Sweden.
When you have the Internet, look him up.

he indentified the changes that occur in the skinin response to microwave frequency radiation.






I suggest that you contact ES-UK Electrosensitivity UK

Anonymous
# Posted: 6 Jan 2015 14:40


Barbara look here:
st this

Open letter by British medical doctors:

http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/uk-medical-doctors-call-for-immediate-action-against-wi reless-technologies/


Open letter by British medical doctors:
Health and safety of Wi-Fi and mobile phones
We wish to highlight our concern over the safety of
exposure to microwave radiation from wireless tech
nology,
particularly for vulnerable groups like children, p
regnant women, the elderly and those with compromis
ed health.
There is growing concern that chronic (long-term) e
xposure to radiofrequency/microwave radiation from
wireless
technologies causes damage, particularly genetic da
mage, cognitive damage, cancer and decreased fertil
ity
. There
is now substantial evidence of a link between mobile p
hone use and brain cancer. This was recognised by the
International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC)'s
30-strong panel of scientists, which in 2011 classed
radiofrequency radiation as "possibly carcinogenic".
Additionally, doctors are encountering a significant
and growing number of people presenting with
a range of acute
(short-term) symptoms from wireless radiation, incl
uding headaches, palpitations, rashes, fatigue, sle
ep
disturbance, allergies and memory and concentratio
n problems.
International medical agencies have recognised the
evidence of harm (see appended list) but these ruli
ngs may
take many years to be reflected in public health po
licy.
This controversy is a common characteristic of scientific
understanding when environmental exposures are new.
New technologies and substances often come with scientif
ic conflict, which can continue for several decades
before
consensus is achieved. Commercial pressures often delay t
he acceptance of health risks, even when scientific
evidence is compelling. In the case of tobacco, asbesto
s, x-rays and leaded petrol, for example, it took man
y decades
before damage was established and accepted by health
agencies and, during those decades, millions of peop
le
suffered ill health and death as a result of the delay
. Now, despite evidence of harm, wireless technology
is being
rolled out widely.
We urge health agencies and the public to act immedi
ately to reduce exposure to radiofrequency/ microwav
e
radiation. This is especially important for children,
who are physiologically more vulnerable to this exposu
re and for
whom adults have a safeguarding responsibility.
Children's health should be put ahead of convenienc
e and
commercial benefits. Children should not use mobile
phones except in an emergency, and WiFi should be
replaced
with wired alternatives in schools and other settin
gs where children spend considerable time.
Yours faithfully,
Dr Elizabeth Evans MA (Cantab), MBBS (Lond), DRCOG
– medical doctor
Dr Andrew Tresidder MRCGP (1989), MBBS (Lond)
– medical doctor
Dr Erica Mallery Blythe BM - medical doctor
BCM SSITA London WC1N 3XX
www.ssita.org.uk

Anonymous
# Posted: 6 Jan 2015 16:08


Open Letter continued from above

Appendix – International Rulings

1. In 2011 the World Health Organization's scientific panel, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), reviewed all the evidence on carcinogenesis (cancer-causing) and categorised electromagnetic radiation from mobile phones and Wi-Fi as Possibly Carcinogenic (Class 2B).
See http://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2011/pdfs/pr208_E.pdf

2. The Council of Europe has called for member states to take measures to reduce exposure to electromagnetic fields and give preference to wired internet connections for children, particularly in schools and classrooms. The Parliamentary Assembly stated that "the Assembly regrets that, despite calls for the respect of the precautionary principle and despite all the recommendations, declarations and a number of statutory and legislative advances, there is still a lack of reaction to known or emerging environmental and health risks and virtually systematic delays in adopting and implementing effecti ve preventive measures. Waiting for high levels of scientific and clinical proof before taking action to prevent well-known risks can lead to very high health and economic costs, as was the case with asbestos, leaded petrol and tobacco.".
See http://assembly.coe.int/mainf.asp?link=/documents/adoptedtext/ta11/eres1815.htm

3. The BioInitiative Report, updated in 2012 by 29 scientists, states that biological effects are clearly established and occur at very low levels of exposure to electromagnetic fields and radiofrequency radiation from just minutes of exposure to mobile phone masts (cell towers), WI-FI, and wireless utility 'smart' meters.
See http://www.bioinitiative.org/conclusions

4. The American Academy of Environmental Medicine stated in a 2012 Position Paper that "Multiple studies correlate RF exposure with diseases such as cancer, neurological disease, reproductive disorders, immune dysfunction, and electromagnetic hypersensitivity."
See http://aaemonline.org/emf_rf_position.html

5. International Society of Doctors for the environment (ISDE) and Irish Doctors' Environmental Association (IDEA) state that "there is sufficient scientific evidence to warrant more stringent controls on the level and distribution of electromagnetic radiation [EMR]. The joint statement and recommendations are part of a call by medical and scientific experts for safe technologies in schools."
See http://www.env-health.org/news/members-news/article/isde-idea-statement-on

6. The Safe Schools Report 2012 lists statements by other doctors and medical associations raising concerns over children's exposure to electromagnetic fields from Wi-Fi and other wireless technology.
See http://Wi-Fiinschools.org.uk/resources/safeschools2012.pdf


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Barbara
Member
# Posted: 7 Jan 2015 00:23


Hi all.
Thanks for info.
I have ordered a meter, rented. This saturday is the last day at our old flat, will sleep this friday at the new place, we still dont have any protection up. And yes ES i should put down the foil... i can predict a night of hell. But on saturday i go abroad to my mothers... I need to rest and carry on researching. Precisely at my mothers is where i first had the rash, right next to the wifi was, a year ago. Now i will have to learn to wire it so we are not fried there!
Es thanks for details on materials, i am not sure what kind of mast it is, if it is 3g or 4g. How do i know? I am going to need a lot of fabric for those windows. Nor if it has wifi transmiters as anonymous was asking. How do the look? It has more stuff than just the rectangular boxes, but i am not sure what the heck they are.
Thanks for the open letter from doctors, very interesting.

Thanks all.

agnes
# Posted: 7 Jan 2015 00:47


Barbara.
Write to me, give me your Postcode, I can find your mast and you will then know what type it is, if that matters, to me the important thing is that it makes you sick and that you are very worried about what it will do to your baby. my e-mail: agnes@mast-victims.org
I am sure I can give you some help.

This is Why this website was funded and why it still exists:
It was founded because of the healtheffects it had on us, in our home we had to abandon.
http://www.mast-victims.org/index.php?content=journal&action=view&type=journal&id=3
And: http://www.mast-victims.org/index.php?content=journal&action=view&type=journal&id=11
So, pls. give me a text, I will give you a phone number to call, so we can speak about your condition and fears.
Best regards.
Agnes.
agnes@mast-victims.org

Barbara
Member
# Posted: 7 Jan 2015 20:56


Thank you, Agnes.
Now we have received the acoustimeter. Its great that they add the graphs for reference. It is a bit redundant to go there with the meter, since i can feel the effect of the mast,and thats real enough for me, but numbers will help, i suppose, to make "my case" stronger.
I also bought the emergency blanquets the space like ones. I read in this web something about them, but will be great if anybody can give me some guidance, mostly about earthing, since is so important to get it right.
Thank you all.

Anonymous
# Posted: 8 Jan 2015 12:44


Barbara
you have a three year old.

read this presentation given by Christine Kind at a doctors' conference in Fuerth, in Germany

about the bad effects of a T - Mobil phone mast on the health of her family, herself, husband her schoolboy sons, and her young daughter.

scroll down for photos.

.


http://www.mast-victims.org/index.php?content=journal&action=view&type=journal&id=70& sort=2

scroll down and see how exposure varies with vertical and horizontal distance from the mast.


ES

Anonymous
# Posted: 8 Jan 2015 12:57


the mobile operato rs sometimes claim the beam is flat like a pancake not true, close to the phone mast you get hit by the side-lobes


http://www.mast-victims.org/forum/index.php?action=vthread&forum=3&topic=5393

scroll down to henrik's comment and picture of how the beam spreads out

Anonymous
# Posted: 8 Jan 2015 13:05


The Ecolog Report that T-Mobil, Germany commissioned, paid for, and then tried to hide away in a desk, , when they did not like the findings:

fortunately , it was found and translated by HESE


http://www.hese-project.org/hese-uk/en/niemr/ecologsum.php

Barbara
Member
# Posted: 8 Jan 2015 15:28


Great stuff, thanks anonymous and ES. I am in the middle of planning a whole life change to avoid living in my brand new house. I just cant risk to wait for something else to hapen, more dramatic and definitive, i just dont want anything to happen. And will not jeopardise my sons health present or/ and future...
I made measurements with the acoustimeter to my ow phone and ot went straight to the max red light! Good heavens, i am shocked. And determined to get rid of my own phone as soon as i can.

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