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Jonnyloosegain
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# Posted: 9 Feb 2017 15:31 - Edited by: Jonnyloosegain
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I wanted to share this comment from a WiFi article:

Thank you for your article. The WHO made the decision to put wireless radiation in the Group 2B Possible Human Carcinogen classification in 2011. There are two levels below 2B for agents whose science is less compelling. 2B is the third of five levels, meaning there was enough evidence at the time of examination to state that it could possibly be carcinogenic. Cancer studies take years to complete though, so it goes into the 2B classification while the science plays out. Please note, also in 2B are lead, gasoline, diesel exhaust, chloroform and other toxins around which we have established safety protocols. Wi-fi is a relatively new technology, and we are at the point in time where we should be putting precautions in place.

I mean no disrespect to engineers, but engineers are not specialists in human biology. When the IEEE helped the FCC to set the guidelines for public radiation exposure back in 1996, they did so for only the thermal effect, and they did not take into account years of military and other studies showing biological effects at the non-thermal level. Nor did the FCC consult with the scientists and biologists who work with electromagnetic radiation to contribute their knowledge of biological effects.

I recognize that the fact that wireless technology could be hazardous is a tough pill to swallow. I used to run fundraising campaigns to bring wireless into our schools. Then an electrical engineer friend tipped me off that it could be harmful so I began to investigate. Mr.. Verma, I hope you will investigate too, with an open mind. Thousands of peer-reviewed studies have been done all over the world that show biological harm. Just because we were taught you have to have heat to cause harm, doesn't mean it holds true anymore.

The U.S. National Toxicology Program has been doing a $25M study expecting to prove cell phones are safe at the non-thermal level. Instead, in their very first set of peer-reviewed findings, they reported DNA damage, brain and heart tumors. There was none in the control group. More findings will be reported in 2017. Even so, FCC Chair Tom Wheeler pushed to get 5G approved right on the heels of the NTP study results. 5G will put biologically hazardous small cell distributed antenna systems (DAS) right outside our homes, or on our homes, that emit radiation constantly.

So, our government is not going to provide us with information to protect ourselves in the short-term. It is up to each of us to become educated and decide how to access technology safely. Until the industry creates actual safe technology, folks would be well advised to choose hard-wired connections over wireless where possible, and keep mobile devices in airplane mode except when a mobile connection is necessary. Turn off every antenna at night, including your router, to protect your sleeping hours when our bodies need to cell divide and repair.

My hope is that our engineers will work with our biologists and scientists and develop new technology that is biologically safe. In the meantime, please consider reading this information from my research repository that I put together for engineers and physicists: https://sites.google.com/.../und.../for-engineers-physicists. You will find information from well-respected engineers and physicists who understand the biological effects of wireless radiation.

Please also feel free to watch this five-part cable series, The Dangers of Wi-Fi. Each episode averages a half hour to give you time to digest new information, and below each video on YouTube you will find links to credible sources: tinyurl.com/Dangers-of-Wi-Fi.

This is not a game of who can outwit whom, our very DNA is at stake here. Thank you for joining the conversation, and hopefully putting on your thinking cap to see how we can protect the public and create actual safe technology.


To the bolded text:

Oops, It's time for precautions and better safety to be introduced I think.

Oh yeah and isn't it without my permission that 24/7 microwaves or radio waves enter my home and body? Illegal trespassing is what it is.

agnes
# Posted: 10 Feb 2017 12:36
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Jonny.
Excellent article, thank you for sharing it.

And yes, you are quite right, It Is Illegal Trespassing!

Contamination of Other Peoples Homes, Gardens and Bodies would be deemed Illegal if it was other Poisonous substances, visible or not.

But Electromagnetic Radiation seems to be the Holy Grail today, Poisonous or not. Who cares anyway? It is a very lucrative business for the industry and governments, and that seems to be all that counts.

I sometimes wonder Who will turn it off when it has killed off most of us.
Best regards.
Agnes

Jonnyloosegain
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# Posted: 11 Feb 2017 18:08 - Edited by: Jonnyloosegain
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Jonny.Excellent article, thank you for sharing it.And yes, you are quite right, It Is Illegal Trespassing!Contamination of Other Peoples Homes, Gardens and Bodies would be deemed Illegal if it was other Poisonous substances, visible or not.But Electromagnetic Radiation seems to be the Holy Grail today, Poisonous or not. Who cares anyway? It is a very lucrative business for the industry and governments, and that seems to be all that counts.I sometimes wonder Who will turn it off when it has killed off most of us.Best regards.Agnes

Thanks Agnes.
Yeah it is a highly cherished holy grail at the moment which makes this hard, that is understandable as the technology itself is an achievement and can prove highly entertaining but it can prove annoying for those who live right near the phone masts.

The guardian wrote an article showing microwaves from masts to be ok as they don't produce thermal or ionizing effects and that blind fold tests on the presence of EMR proved it to be all psychosomatic.
First of all non thermal negative effects exist. Second of all we don't have EMR eyesight and can't readily identify culprits.
I believe that EMR is incredibly subtle but takes time for it to present itself as an issue.

However I done some guess work below on how the blind fold tests were possibly 'psychosomatic' by trying to point out how the sensation of radiation can become silent yet with its absence we gain a benefit:

In the early days of radio communications it became apparent that electromagnetic interference was an issue with other equipment. Regulations were produced so technology wouldn't cause interference with other technology.
Interestingly according to the International Telecommunication Union's (ITU) Radio Regulations (RR), electromagnetic interference(EMI) or/and radio-frequency interference (RF) is defined as:
The effect of unwanted energy due to one or a combination of emissions, radiations, or inductions upon reception in a radiocommunication system, manifested by any performance degradation, misinterpretation, or loss of information which could be extracted in the absence of such unwanted energy».
I quote above due to the fact that 'radiocommunication systems' could be replaced with the human body or brain as the body/brain works with electromagnetic radiation to operate.
Now if the radiation is very subtle and easily missable it means we could align with it without noticing it (to a good extent). If you've ever seen changing frequencies on a speaker with a platform of sand on it(see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJAgrUBF4w), you will see how the sand changes patterns for every frequency very smoothly and calmly.
It could be possible if the energy is small and not as noticeable as the video above that our brains quickly, subtlety and smoothly adjust in a small or big way depending on the level of radiation and render the source of radiation as un-noticeable.
It could become apparent however that this balance being made by the brain impedes on our performance (or possible performance), a performance that would of been there had the radiation not been present. And that is why I underlined in the above quote:'which could be extracted in the absence of such unwanted energy' because like the 'radiocommunication systems' (a bit like our brains and bodies) we could be extracting things from the environment had the unwanted energy not been there.

Having said what I have said above, it is all just an idea of mine and I don't want to assert it as factual, this is just how I feel on the subject of "its all in your head" and EMF.
I believe we are missing out on something and not even be greatly aware of it due to the effects of how our brain could equalise against the incoming radiation, rendering it as even more invisible than it already was. Yet the cost of our brain (subtly and quickly) balancing out the radiation and staying in balance could impact our performance that otherwise would of been there had the radiation been removed.

That's why I choose this quote because the authorities recognise this issue sort of but in the way of technology instead:
The effect of unwanted energy due to one or a combination of emissions, radiations, or inductions upon reception in a radiocommunication system, manifested by any performance degradation, misinterpretation, or loss of information which could be extracted in the absence of such unwanted energy».

Body and technology is different yes, but they both harbour EMF's.
I also find technology is more prone to electromagnetic interference(EMI) because it can't readily adapt to the EMI as the system is all tuned to do one thing and the result is not to the makers or users liking.
The brain can adapt on the fly however I believe, like looking at different colours (colours are part of the EM spectrum too) you feel different emotions rapidly within looking at different colours.
If we are in balance with the phone masts near our houses, you might have a real hard time proving to others it effects you because possibly of the quickness and immediacy of how you align with it and balance to it, rendering the radiation near or totally un-sensational?

If everyone's brain's possibly aligns rapidly (probably due to the power behind the phone masts...) then sensations could be low on reports in the public domain but the real proof could be in the performance loss that should be there but isn't because the alignment or balance impedes on performance.
But you wouldn't be able to know where the performance loss is coming from unless you had good intuition and was willing to tune into potential issues.

My intuition always says avoid the direction of my house when I walk home from a walk, I try to ignore it but a force that feels horrible seems to keep reminding me to go the other direction.
I will explore psychosomatic behaviours however as I do want some hope in my life hehe and I know they can be quite powerful.
I shall keep an open mind on this subject but my health is priority and I won't blind myself whether that be for, against or neutral with the phone masts.

ann
# Posted: 5 Mar 2017 16:29
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I find that the effect of a mobile phone or phone mast is not always immediate. It might take a few minutes to have an effect - usually pain in the temples or depression, loss of energy, or sometimes bad temper. I can cope with a few minutes in Tesco but it wonder around then I find that I get confused, feel ill and cannot decide or remember what I came in for!
The effect takes some hours to clear after an episode.
Also if someone comes to my house with the mobile on I am not always aware of it until after a while and takes quite a time to get back to normal after they'd gone. (I always assume that they turned their phone off before they come in. )
This must make it difficult to do blind fold tests. But the mobile phone companies love it! No proof - let's have your money.
They (Tobacco companies) still argue that smoking does not cause lung cancer! We have no hope.

jonnyloosgain
# Posted: 29 Mar 2017 22:20
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Its a choice, if someone wants to get a nicotine hit from smoking fine, but they pay a cost.

I don't want emissions near my house where the levels are that of me living next right to a star.

ann
# Posted: 2 Apr 2017 15:44
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There is no hiding place! Imagine when the smart meters are installed everywhere. Even if you don't have a wifi, mobile, or anything wireless you can still be irradiated by your neighbours' smart meters! Personally I am very upset and do worry about our children - what future are we giving them?
We hear so much about mental illness and yet the connection between the explosion of wireless gadgets and nervous diseases is not made. What hope is there? Are people so blind to what is going on?

Jonnyloosegain
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# Posted: 7 Apr 2017 11:29 - Edited by: Jonnyloosegain
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There is no hiding place! Imagine when the smart meters are installed everywhere. Even if you don't have a wifi, mobile, or anything wireless you can still be irradiated by your neighbours' smart meters! Personally I am very upset and do worry about our children - what future are we giving them? We hear so much about mental illness and yet the connection between the explosion of wireless gadgets and nervous diseases is not made. What hope is there? Are people so blind to what is going on?

I think humans are going through a phase of, things can be seen as ok and healthy if you look at it from every possible angle, no matter what negative comes your way and this new idea is being applied to their favourite toy.

Obviously, look how easy it is for those who don't wish to apply that idea on microwave technology and find a negative. Very easy. It is similar to turning off the PC and power extension adapter after sick of being on the computer for too long. You feel relieve when it gets all turned off. The EMF has... died.

I wouldn't sit on a PC for 24/7, the light (EMF), the EMF would make me feel like s**t. Cue the phone mast and what painful thing do we discover - we can't turn it off! Oh god it's painful.
We invented blackout curtains to block light from street lights didn't we because believe it or not authorities, we don't always want the EMF!
(Light is EMF).

The authorities can't rose tint glass phone masts anymore. We humans given the choice remove EMF given the hours. How can phone masts be an exception? Oh wait, telecom industry and revenue. So our natural desire for it off is held back because of cash, something we all knew.

KarenB
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# Posted: 14 May 2017 09:07
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HI there. The link no longer works are you able to repost please. Thanks

plopplop
# Posted: 15 May 2017 01:13
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The WHO is now a CIA funded organisation and you will get no Independent and objective appraisals of health risks from them.

When Bob Gates was the director of the CIA bill was working on the Nuking of N Korea. He was then sent to do a spy-ware operating system for the CIA hence Windows with no competition.

The WHO is now 80% funded by "donations" and the "Gates Foundation" is chooses who gets what jobs there now. You will never get the truth without independent fundings.

The WHO will never support invalided people over the goals of capitalism ( to create a legal system that that only supports the will of the rich.) . Only the Communists have declared the non-ionizing radiations dangerous and it is why they did not fill their houses and kitchens with stinking electronics. Women in the west suffer most as they do not know the dangers from these kitchen marvels and cook early evenings at the dirtiest times for contaminated electricity.

Henrik
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# Posted: 15 May 2017 09:40
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plopplop

Have you got any references, evidence etc. to back those claims up?

plopplop
# Posted: 15 May 2017 12:07
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Read the Histoire des secret Britanniques if you can read French by Gordon Thomas

Then watch WHO dans les griffes de les OGM available on ARTE EU funded TV

Its about the funding for the WHO which was 80% from countries and is now 80% from charities and how this has corrupted their independence and objectivity and even their ability to choose who does what for them,,,,,, Its been bought cheap. Its now privatized so as to better reflect the wishes l of big money and ignore the democratic values of its founders. ie WE'RE FUCKED when they want us fucked. as in ICNIRP is decided by CIA military and BIG PHARMA and not human health criteria. There's big money to be made in sickness that takes many years to kill and theres no limit to what they will do to get control of it.
I know I was one.

Why do you think the WHO has backed off so much in more recent years despite the overflow of independent evidence?

plopplop
# Posted: 15 May 2017 22:42
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http://television.telerama.fr/tele/programmes-tv/l-oms-dans-les-griffes-des-lobbyiste s,114756105.php

plopplop
# Posted: 15 May 2017 23:01
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Sorry tipo....Histoire Des Services Secrets Britanniques by Gordon Thomas.

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