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# Posted: 6 Dec 2017 23:34

Modern vehicle are as dirty as muck if you check them with a EM meter and radio. They should not be allowed to come down the road at you. No wonder that insurance is so high.
I have been testing modern vans and NONE are safe unless you have found one. The newest I have found is a 2006 Iveco daily. Has any one found a newer vehicle?

# Posted: 14 Dec 2017 22:15

I am trying to find a VAN to hide in as it is the cheapest way to get a Faraday cage, if it ain't got rust. The French group for EHS "Robin de Toits" recommend this. They have thousands living in them now. They stop MWs but are not so good at the old radio waves as they are more penetrating IE TETRA. The French don't seem to broadcast on the AM because of the health effects are recognised there.

My Peugeot 206 and 206 are low magnetic fields but my mates old Audi is 10 in his face and now his heart ain't doing its duty. Some Fords are good German cars generally are looking V bad now.

Given that all peoples blood is made of iron and magnetises its a big stupid mistake to have electric vehicles and not think it will not effect accident rates.

# Posted: 14 Dec 2017 23:59

Sorry PUG 205 and 206.

# Posted: 22 Dec 2017 19:48

Has anyone heard or found a car without an alternator but with solar panels instead?
Which are the safest alternators? Does any one know?

# Posted: 23 Dec 2017 03:49

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/scientific_committees/emerging/docs/sc enihr_o_041.pdf

Opinion on Potential health effects of exposure to electromagnetic fields

Exposure to electromagnetic field can be
encountered when using different modes of
transportation. Many studies have addressed
the ELF magnetic field in trains. Nordenson
et al. (2001) looked at railroad engine drivers and found that they are exposed to
relatively high ELF magnetic fields (MF), ranging from a few to over a hundred T
instantaneous values, and with mean values over the
working day from 2-15 T
depending on the type of engine. Röösli et
al. (2007) found that for Swiss railway drivers
mean exposure could be as high as 21 T.
Much lower values were found in an Italian
study by Contessa et al. (2010). The average
exposure to ELF MF was in the order of 1-2
T, with higher levels (few T) only for one
engine; occasionally in hot spot
s, close to wiring or specific
equipment, the field values
could reach several tens of T.
Halgamuge et al. (2010) investigated the exposure values at the floor level and seat level
in Australian trams and trains in urban and suburban areas, and in
a hybrid car. The MF
strength was measured at different points
inside and near the moving vehicles. The
results are far lower than the ICNIRP recommended levels.
A large comprehensive summary report on lo
w frequency EMFs encountered in different
modes of transport has recently been presented by the Swedish Radiation Safety Agency,
authored by Anger (2010). The agency has – as
a part of the environmental monitoring -
measured EMF in buses, cars, long-distance and commuter trains, trams, underground
trains, marine vessels and aircrafts. The measurements we
re performed at randomly
chosen places where passenger
s are present. All of the levels measured are well below
the limits for general public exposure. The highest levels were measured in trains, where
the mean MF strength ranged from 2 to 27 T
, depending on the type of train and coach.
On single occasions, measurements in commuter trains showed a magnetic field strength
of up to 80 T.
Following the work by Vedholm and Hamnerius (1997) who show
ed for the first time that
steel-belted tires in cars could produce an EL
F MF inside the car, Milham et al. (1999)
looked into this in more detail. They found
that the magnetic fields
emanate from radial
tires due to the presence of reinforcing belt
s which are made of magnetized steel wire.
When the tires spin, they generate ELF
MF, usually below 20 Hz. The fundamental
frequency of these fields is determined by
the tire rotation rate and has a sinusoidal
waveform with a high harmonic content. The
field strength can exceed 2.0 T at seat
level in the passenger compartment of vehicles.
Tell et al. (2012) measured the
magnetic field in electric an
d gasoline-powered cars. For
seven electric cars, the geometric mean (GM) of all measurements was 0.095 T with a
geometric standard deviation (GSD) of 2.66,
compared to 0.051 T for four gasoline-
powered cars (GSD=2.11).

Is any one with a meter laughing as much as I am? Surely they should be looking at driver position exposures in cars. They seam more concerned with averages including the boot. What an EU white wash. Try a hand and feet reading. Without the wheels moving I can show you cars with 10mT in your face and over 20mT where your legs go and your hands. Its easy to see. Are these guys on drugs or on the take? What were they testing? Cars from a different century? Modern cars are very high magnetic field generators. Only small old diesels are likely to be low field. Incidentally tyres can be de-gaussed. 12vDC produces high magnetic fields very easily.

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