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HereWeGo
# Posted: 7 Sep 2007 12:42
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Your friend hasn't been eating any Trinity Fine Foods I hope? :o)

It sounds like one of the usual possible reactions, it could be an interesting case. Is your friend fine away from the flat, and then only feels ill when returning? If so, how long does the effect take to appear and disappear?

Anonymous
# Posted: 10 Sep 2007 13:04
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A friend of mine living approximately 30 metres away from the mast has also been suffering regular headaches since the activation. She emailed Simon Crowcroft and he replied that he's asking all complainants to contact the Health Department and ask that readings be taken, which would suggest that he has recieved a number of similar complaints.

Anonymous
# Posted: 11 Sep 2007 19:09
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There's an interesting little film of the Washington Hotel mast on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1PYtr8p3os

walkies
# Posted: 22 Sep 2007 14:01
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St.Catherine's Breakwater Lighthouse Situation
JT is on, from a single small panel, replacing the lamp-post by the phone box near the cafe.
C&W have one longer panel, not believed to be on yet, and a notice on the door where the equipment is located says "site 9".
Airtel? No sign yet, but there's a mounting bracket in place which looks like it may eventually hold one of theirs.

eneken
# Posted: 25 Sep 2007 00:42
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Anonymous
# Posted: 25 Sep 2007 01:31
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I found another film on Youtube about Jersey phone masts. Send this one to anyone you know thinking of holidaying on the island!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=N_vXDuZIstY

Anonymous
# Posted: 27 Sep 2007 23:30
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The News in Jersey Today!

Phone masts review

New applications to put mobile phone masts up have been put on hold for a month.

It's because the new health minister wants to make sure there are no health risks.

Senator Ben Shenton has just taken over the role of head of health after Senator Stuart Syvret was sacked.

There are about one hundred and fifty masts up around the island.

Planning Minister senator Freddie Cohen says five more applications were to be look at tomorrow - but they've now been put off.

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ChannelOnline
# Posted: 28 Sep 2007 11:42
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New investigation into phone masts

Jersey's new health minister has called for a further review of the risks of mobile phone masts.

Senator Ben Shenton, who replaced sacked Senator Syvret in the role, called for the review as one of his first priorities.

Previous health and scrutiny reports have advised of no identifiable health threats, but the Minister says it is his duty to provide the public with the most up-to-date advice.

Senator Shenton told Channel Online: "There is research coming forward all the time because of course mobile phones and mobile masts are quite a new technology and although we know there's no short term dangers its only with time we'll know there's no long term dangers."

Five additional masts were due to be approved tomorrow, but that decision's been delayed by the Minister for Planning and Environment, whose defended Senator Shenton's decision.

Planning Minister Freddie Cohen said: "He's perfectly entitled to review any element of policy within his portfolio, this is clearly a matter that he's expressed concern over in the past because he was a member of the scrutiny panel that looked into the health risks of mobile phone masts."

Senator Shenton stated that the review will only take four weeks and it is perfectly reasonable that he should suspend applications until the review is completed, providing it's within a reasonable period.

However mobile phone companies are unhappy with the decision. Steve Smith, from Cable and Wireless, said: "Cable & Wireless is internationally recognised as a responsible operator which takes public health concerns very seriously and we comply fully with the recommendations of the Stewart report on mobile health."

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Personal comment - this is an interesting twist. I think Str BS is open minded about this, and not in anyone's pocket, so it's great that he's now minister for health. It should be fascinating to see what happens.......!

Anonymous
# Posted: 28 Sep 2007 17:05
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At face value this seems to be a good result.

However, I don't think anything will change as a result of Senator Shenton's review. Jersey's masts are all within ICNIRP limits, so the situation will continue as normal as long as that remains the case.

Let's be honest. It's not likely he's going to read George Carlo's evidence and suddenly demand all masts are deactivated.

Anonymous
# Posted: 29 Sep 2007 21:57
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Probably not, but he may make the health department see that the guff they have been told in the past is not necessarily correct and that it is a serious issue which needs close monitoring through the health departments activities. Precaution and all that!

Anonymous
# Posted: 5 Oct 2007 15:18
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It's too late for precaution. The island is infested with masts. A complete rethink is required with mast removal where neccesary. ie close to housing. Anything less is negligent.

I once emailed Frank Walker pointing out that if 50% of the worlds scientists announced that bottled water caused cancer, bottled water would be removed from the islands shelves until a full investigation was conducted and the water proven to be 100% safe. I then asked why the same logic is not applied to phone masts. He never answered me.

Anonymous
# Posted: 5 Oct 2007 17:58
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It's likely that at least one of the current competitors will not gain enough customers, and they will vanish. At that point there's some hope that their masts will come down - then again it's more likely they'll sell to one of the other two companies and those masts will still get used.

agnes
# Posted: 6 Oct 2007 04:38
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Hi all.
Do you all have the transcript of Dr. George Carlos evidence to the Jersey Scrutiny/Government committe on telecommunications mast?
If not please say so and I will post it here.
But be warned, it is 50 pages in the doc I have extracted from the pdf.
so it would be some pages in Forum.
Also, if anyone wants it e-mailed to them, I will be glad to do that if you send me your mail-address to: agnes@mast-victims.org

Best regards.
Agnes

agnes
# Posted: 6 Oct 2007 04:44
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Hi I forgot to mention.
If any of you want to have the "Bioinitiative" report mailed to them, pls. say so, send mailaddress and I will send it.

A lot of things are happening just now, with the European Environmental Agency putting on their "Protect the Public" wellies, so it is important to hang in there and follow what is happening.

And, that of course also goes for the Industry and their bought slaves.

Best regards.
Agnes.

P.S. Do you like our new SPAM Filter?
I am sorry that we had to introduce that, but some people have no shame now-a-days, and we have no use for their filth.
Best regards.
Agnes

Helpful
# Posted: 6 Oct 2007 14:59
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Loving the nice clean civil forums! Well done for that, hopefully it will attract more people posting sensible stuff now.

Anonymous
# Posted: 6 Oct 2007 23:34
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Hi The bio initiative report was emailed to all states members. Also Dr Carlo's transcript is on www.jerseymastconcern.co.uk

thanks

Anonymous
# Posted: 9 Oct 2007 16:34
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Two new airtel applications in the paper tonight, but the online planning search doesn't work any more.

Minden Place S/2007/2320 (6 ant, 1 dish, 3 cabs)
and La Chasse St.O S/2007/2319 (3 ant, 6 dish)

Anonymous
# Posted: 10 Oct 2007 19:39
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http://www.gov.je/PlanningEnvironment/Planning/Planning+Applications/03.+Browse+the+R egister+of+Planning+Applications.htm

this works

Anonymous
# Posted: 11 Oct 2007 11:44
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Looks like they've fixed it, yes!

me again
# Posted: 16 Oct 2007 16:45
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In the JEP today, St.H and St.J improvements announced by Sure C&W, with 3 new base stations :
Bonne Nuit (near WC)
Rouge Bouillon (Hotel Savoy)
Robin Hood / Grands Vaux / Vallee des Vaux
- the last one being a new pole above Safeway visible when driving past Springfield stadium, in the distance up on the hill behind the JT one on the bunker behind the garage.

sig check
# Posted: 20 Oct 2007 15:06
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The one above Safeway is on for sure (pun intended), not getting anything very strong past the Savoy though, no obvious masts visible either that I've spotted yet.

Info
# Posted: 26 Oct 2007 11:42
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Channel Online, today
Phone masts to be tested for radiation

Random testing of phone masts will now take place in Jersey in a bid to monitor radiation emissions.

Senator Philip Ozouf, Minister for Economic Development, has completed the asked the Competition Regulatory Authority (JCRA) randomly test mobile telephone masts and base stations.

The tests will take place annually for the first two years and then every second year. The tests will be managed by the JCRA and paid for by licensees.

Subsequent reports will be made available to the Minister for Economic Development and the Health Protection Unit at the Health and Social Services Department.

A website will also be set up with relevant and up-to-date information, including details on the location of masts, the results of the independent testing, as well as information regarding the current international standards in respect of safe levels of emissions.

Members of the public will also be able to make a complaint regarding levels of emissions of masts sited near their homes, but the actual testing scheme will be determined by the JCRA.

This is the first Direction the Minister for Economic Development has issued to the JCRA in relation to phone masts.

Senator Ozouf said: "I am confident that this random testing will help to dispel some of the public's safety fears. It is my intention to ensure that we keep everyone fully informed of current international standards as well as results of this random testing."

The JCRA has welcomed the move. Chuck Webb, the JCRA's Executive Director, said: "We welcome the Minister's direction on mast emissions and look forward to executing these new responsibilities to the best of our abilities. The JCRA's new responsibilities in this area are consistent with our core mission to further the welfare of the people of Jersey."

Anonymous
# Posted: 26 Oct 2007 19:08
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It was interesting to see the Guernsey situation on the news last night. I wish we in Jersey ONLY had 51 masts to worry about! Apparently Guernsey now has more than London, which means Jersey must have around four times as many as London, sheer madness when 'precaution' has been advised!

But you know what? If we get organised we can use that figure to our advantage. If it became widely known that Jersey was so incredibly drenched in EMF radiation, and that phone masts are popping up in St. Helier almost every couple of streets, it could very well stop a large chunk of people deciding to come here for holidays.

If that happens the States will be forced to rethink the situation and reverse it. If we get organised the sheer number of masts will be our greatest ammunition.

The government have allowed Jersey's phone mast situation to happen with not a thought for public safety. Read the Scrutiny transcripts. The only research that was done was a health protection official being called back from his holiday to rush-write a report based on other people's research.
As a result of that he presented a case to Scrutiny in which he equated the danger from phone masts with the danger presented by living next to a petrol station, and claimed that masts are safer than driving in a car, because more people have died in car crashes! Read the reports. They would make for great comedy were these illogical statements not being treated as fact by States members.

Let's get organised and change the situation. Asking politely for consideration has failed. We need to start getting proactive, and if that means damaging the reputation of Jersey, so be it. It's our health and the health of our children at stake....

Who's with me?

RFtechnician
# Posted: 26 Oct 2007 20:33
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Anonymous
im with you on that one,
with more hotels having antennas on their roofs the less visitors are going to want to stay there if they are forwarned by us about the exposure to this radiation.
iv'e already stopped a family party from booking at the washington for two visits this yearbecause I dont want them harmed by this menace of constant RF exposure.

Anonymous
# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 19:57
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Please sign this petition. If you are in Jersey or Guernsey you need to select the last box, Channel Islands. Our signature counts as we are a Crown dependancy. Thanks

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/PhoneMasts/

Info
# Posted: 7 Nov 2007 15:23
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Good news for residents of the Green Road area : St.Lukes Crescent, Maison Victor Hugo, near the old row of shops where there was a Pickwicks (now being redeveloped).

JT removed their mast there this week - sawed through the old telegraph pole that was at the east end of St.Lukes Crescent by the shop with the curved frontage. With no planning applications showing up, it looks like they won't be replacing it.

They must be getting enough coverage here from the one just up the road at the Dicq pumping station and the one at the other end of Green Road at the Squash club (that one has recently changed from a single antenna hidden in a flag pole to a 3 sector affair).

Anonymous
# Posted: 8 Nov 2007 05:14
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Please sign this petition. If you are in Jersey or Guernsey you need to select the last box, Channel Islands. Our signature counts as we are a Crown dependancy. Thanks

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/PhoneMasts/



Can I just say, you really should have given a LOT wider exposure to this. You don't even have 700 signatures, and there's only 2 weeks left to sign.

There are thousands of people across the UK who would have signed this petition. But you didn't get organised enough to take advantage of that. That seems to be a common problem with the phone mast issue. There is no mass movement, no centralisation, just lots of tiny groupss doing their own thing...thus there's no mass impact.

Is it any wonder protestors never get taken seriously, or are viewed as fringe crackpots?

Good luck with getting the Government to take notice of your 700 petitioners....

Anonymous
# Posted: 9 Nov 2007 21:06
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It is little dissapointing that the last posting is so negative. One assumes you have a day job to be writing such things at 5.14 in the morning. I am sure everyone who petitions in what ever form gives as much time as they are able. Many of us have busy lives and try to do as much as possible.

It was posted to support the drumming up of more signatures. It was not created by someone from Jersey.

If you were actually part of the really concerned, and at the coal face, you would know there are moves afoot to create a more global stance, but these things take time.

Thanks

Info
# Posted: 23 Nov 2007 12:26
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103 news today :

Phone Masts

Emissions from phone masts must be within international guidelines - that's the finding of a second review by our Health Department into any risks from mobile phones.

Last year the Health Department found that there would be no risk to our health from phone masts if exposure was within certain guidelines.

But when the new Health minister Senator Ben Shenton took up his post earlier this year he called for a further review.

That's now been completed and hasn't found anything different to the first investigation.

But the Health Department will further investigate any possible health risks in 2009 or 2010.

Anonymous
# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 02:21
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It is little dissapointing that the last posting is so negative. One assumes you have a day job to be writing such things at 5.14 in the morning. I am sure everyone who petitions in what ever form gives as much time as they are able. Many of us have busy lives and try to do as much as possible.

If you were actually part of the really concerned, and at the coal face, you would know there are moves afoot to create a more global stance, but these things take time.

Thanks


Exactly how petty-minded are you to pass some kind of judgement on an individual on the basis of them having penned a response at 5.14am? Before doing anything else you should sit down and consider that.

Everything I stated in my original reply to yourself stands. You wait until there only TWO WEEKS left before the petition closes to drum up support? That's idiocy, plain and simple. To be annoyed with my pointing that out shows the level you're working on.

Your petition had 700 signatures at the time of my orginal response. In the two weeks following your message on this forum you added the grand total of.....13 signatures. I hate to say this, but that proves my point perfectly.

And please, don't lecture me about being "at the coalface". I've been there before, and sadly it always seems to be people such as yourself who are handing out the shovels - they have bucketloads of good intentions, but are completely inept at basic protest organisation. I've seen it numerous times in the flesh and it frustrates me to the point of apathy. To be blunt, I'm astounded at the level of incompetence I've witnessed in some phone mast protests, which have played right into the hands of the mast companies.

And don't brush this off as a negative response, you'd be foolish to do so. Take it as a free lesson and use it to inspire a more positive result next time you attempt to rally the troops. Get ORGANISED.

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