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Mike
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2009 14:03
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Hi all,
I have been having problems with wifi radiation from neighbors for some time now. I have painted a part of a neighboring wall but wasn't successful in blocking out radiation. As a result, I still have trouble in falling asleep - Melatonin pills have helped me out in sleeping, however they are a prescripted drug here and I will not be able to take them for a long time...
So I have decided to relocate to a place where the radiation is at a lower level. But still there are no promises that where I move there will not be wifi or mobile antennas around...
Has anyone tried EMF bed canopies? If yes, do they work i.e. does one get a good night's sleep in them? Does anyone know if the they block out wifi signal? Which companies would you recommend? I have found Y-Shield and Swiss Shield. Do you have any suggestions on that matter?
Many thanks
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Ariadne
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# Posted: 10 Mar 2009 14:35
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Hi Mike
We (www.emfields.org) stock the Swisstulle silver bobbinet bed canopies. They are excellent at screening out wifi and other sources of radiofrequency microwave radiation. They should be earthed if close to a source of electric fields, as they can pick up and re-radiate these.
We've posted up some feedback from customers, although we'd like to post more, we obviously have to get permission. This is from 2006 - but the material and canopies haven't changed since then.
http://www.emfields.org/screening/canopyfeed.asp
Available in single, double, and kingsize. VAT exempt if you are electrically hypersensitive and sign the declaration (no other site can offer this).
We consider bed canopies *should* be earthed, which you can do with the swisstulle bobbinet, as the silver coating is on the outside. The chromax (swiss-shield) material is very good, but cannot be earthed as the metal fibres are actually inside the material (it's woven with silver plated copper fibres). We therefore recommend it's use as curtaining (not close to a source of electrical fields usually) rather than canopies.
If Melatonin helps, we also sell "Asphalia" which contains over 90% natural melatonin, although it's sold purely as a herbal supplement with no mention of melatonin on the packaging. You may be able to order that online without worrying about it being a prescription drug.
Sounds like a sales pitch, but I'm here and I know our products :)
If you have any other questions, let me know, I'll see if I can answer them. Hope Henrik doesn't mind me putting our details on like this, it was in direct response to a question :)
Sarah Paine
EMFields
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Henrik
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# Posted: 10 Mar 2009 20:17
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Ariadne,
No problem at all. People affected need to know how to protect themselves.
I only object to advertisers looking to use this forum as free ad space but you responded to a question and that's great.
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Mike
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# Posted: 16 Mar 2009 13:48
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Hi,
thank you very much for your reply.
I would actually prefer not to earth the canopy since I will not always have that option easily. Do they work without earthing?
Also I would like to find out what percent of wifi radiation is blocked out by these (or similar canopies) since the wifi signal is usually at 2.4 Ghz. Materials like Naturell by Swiss Shield have a 40db cutoff at 1Ghz, but this drops as the frequency increases. What cutoff/protection should I expect at this frequency?
Concerning Asphalia, what do you mean by natural melatonin? Does it contain animal or plant meletonin? I have heard that only manufactured melatonin is safe as natural since may contain viruses...
Henrik, do you have own experience with the above matters?
Thanks
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topazg
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# Posted: 16 Mar 2009 16:01
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Concerning Asphalia, what do you mean by natural melatonin? Does it contain animal or plant meletonin? I have heard that only manufactured melatonin is safe as natural since may contain viruses...
I have not heard this, and I would be very skeptical without good evidence to support it.
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Ariadne
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# Posted: 16 Mar 2009 16:15
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Hi Mike
Screening results can be seen here: http://www.emfields.org/screening/screeninggraphs.asp
At 2.4GHz, you can see the bobbinet material blocks well over 99% of the power density, and about 95% of the signal strength. Yes, the effectiveness does drop off, but it's still pretty good at that frequency.
We'd always recommend earthing canopies as they are usually used close to a source of electricity. They will still screen out radiofrequency signals without being earthed, although some people react worse to the electric fields than they did to the radiofrequency fields.
Asphalia has naturally derived plant melatonin (from a special sort of wheat grass). I'd back topazg up on being very skeptical about viruses in "non manufactured" melatonin - I suspect this is something far more likely that drug companies would be saying to get you to buy synthetic forms.
I'd be happy to send you a sample of asphalia Mike, if you want - send an email to info@emfields.org
Sarah Paine
EMFields
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Lingaro
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# Posted: 17 Mar 2009 13:13
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Hi!
Thanks for posting the information Sarah!
I made a canopy with Naturell from Swiss Shield a year ago. I reacted to the flame retardants in the material, so I had to take it all down and wash it. That measure decreased the shielding properties in the material. But I still sleep better. I never got any clear answers from the person who I hired to do measures at home on how much and what signals the canopy blocks...??!! The person didn't even help me to understand that we had a wireless connection (2.4 GHz) in the house!
No wonder I was getting sick.
I will look into the earthing and maybe I can strengthen the canopy with one more layer of a shielding material (and the wireless system has to go). Sarah, do all the materials contain flame retardants?
By the way, has anyone tried Stetzer filters to lessen electric fields ("dirty electricity")? I'm wondering if the filters would be worth trying...
Maria
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weety
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# Posted: 18 Mar 2009 15:50
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I have taken 'asphalia' many times, it is 100% natural and very effective.
But I found it made me feel extremely tired the following day! It gives me a 'sleep hangover'. It's really powerfull stuff and should only be used if you struggle sleeping!
Yshield 'daylite' looks a good bet for a canopy.
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Ariadne
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# Posted: 19 Mar 2009 17:39
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Hi Maria
The silver bobbinet doesn't I believe contain a flame retardant, which is why we warn that it's highly flammable - you just can't win!
Stetzer filters... we're in two minds about them. Yes, they can reduce "dirty" electricity on the actual wires, but even Dave Stetzer, who designed them, can't tell us how they work at any distance from the actual wiring. They definitely seem to help some people, but others have told us that they made their condition worse. If you buy any, just get two or 3. More than 5 is a bad idea.
Additionally, they DO draw extra 50 Hz current (about 1 amp each) from your electric supply and can create high magnetic fields.
Sarah
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Lingaro
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# Posted: 20 Mar 2009 12:43
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Thank you Sarah for taking the time to share your knowledge!
Often hard to know what to do...
Mike, have you tried taking Magnesium to help you sleep? If you take the daily dosage at bedtime it might work as well as Melatonin (or as a complement). Just make sure you get Magnesium that is formulated for easy digestion and absorprtion into the body.
The thing is: You can't have pure Magnesium, so the Magnesium has to be tied to another substance - and some combinations are harder for the body to absorb than others.
I use Magnesium Chelate (the Magnesium is bound to amino acids), but the product is locally produced so I don't think you'll find the same product in the UK. I guess Magnesium Citrate is ok. That is very common.
I take 340 mg (113% of DV).
Maria
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Mike
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# Posted: 8 May 2009 11:46
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Guys,
thank you all for your replies. You have given me very useful info. This reply comes in a bit too late but I had been moving into a new place away from the city centre.
Even though the levels of electrosmog appear to be a lot less in this place, the sleeplesness persists. I still take my melatonin pills, but no use. I do get a good night sleep with them at my folk's place at the (highly electro polluted) city centre, but they don't help me in the country side. How is that possible?
There must be 2-3 wifis around but they have a very weak signal. The measurements with a Cornet Microsystems Electrosmog meter inside the bedroom show pulsing values from 1.82 to 2.05 uW/sqm (-54.5 to -55dB) with a closed window and 20.45 uW/sqm (-44.4 dB) with the window open. The landlady who lives above has 2 DECT phones. The one on the first floor has been replaced with a cable phone. The one at the highest floor remains.
What could be the problem? I haven't noticed being sensitive to other frequencies of electricity... I am still reluctant in buying a canopy as they are rather expensive.
Maria thank you for the Magnesium tip. I will try it and let you know.
Mike
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Volker
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2009 12:58
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Dear Mike,
you should always consider that your body needs time to "adjust" to an area with low radiation as he is accustomed to high exposure.
And about the canopies: They can really offer a very good protection from all the high frequency as well as for the low-frequency provided you can ground the canopy. But Sarah knows about that. She has a very good product range.
Regards,
Volker
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Patty
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# Posted: 5 Jun 2009 16:44
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I'm still searching for local suppliers of Canopies or at least the material here in N. America. Even the Carbon Black is difficult to come by.
The natural source Melatonin I heard about and that seems to help is eating a banana, whole wheat cereal or leafy greens about a half hour before sleep. Between exercise and a fan running a little cereal I seem to be able to get a better quality sleep.
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cristiano
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# Posted: 8 Jun 2009 08:30
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Hello friends.I'm cristiano from spain.Well,I use Magnesium Chelate (the Magnesium is bound to amino acids), but the product is locally produced so I don't think you'll find the same product in the UK. I guess Magnesium Citrate is ok. That is very common.What else can I do?
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Volker
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# Posted: 8 Jun 2009 14:18
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Patty
Hi Patty,
for canopies in N.America, please try www.safelivingtechnologies.com
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daniel
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# Posted: 27 Jul 2009 02:30
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About the canopies you cannot earth them because it is not conductive. I have tried the Topas canopie http://www.breathing-easy.net/radio-frequency-rf-shielding-canopies. It didn't help me.
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Volker
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# Posted: 29 Jul 2009 14:28
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Dear Daniel,
we have one in our shop. It can be grounded see http://www.yshield.eu/en/canopys/universal-PERSPECTIVE
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Mike
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# Posted: 5 Oct 2009 13:52
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Hi guys,
thank you once again for all your advice.
I wanted to comment on the magnesium solution. It seems to work under special circumstances. For example, being in a place where the main source of radiation is wi-fi (apart from people with cell phones) I would not normally sleep on my own. With magnesium citrate I was able to fall asleep and keep it going for almost 2 hours!
Unfortunately it does not appear to work (for me at least) when being close to a mobile mast or at places with geopathic stress. Melatonin used to do the trick in such cases but it does not always work now. I have to admit that I have tried to cut down on this medication.
But one thing worries me: My sensitivity has increased and it increases every time I am around powerful sources of radiation such as mobile masts. It then becomes harder to fall asleep even in places that are not so EM polluted (and at which I could fall asleep on my own).
Has anyone experienced the same? Is there a way to reduce one's electrical hypersensitivity? I fear that in some time I will end up walking around with a net over my head to get protected.
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Lingaro
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# Posted: 12 Oct 2009 14:13
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Hi Mike!
Unfortunately, shielding and protective clothing is probably one of the best ways to get protection...
The question on how to protect yourself is a tough one. I think we should aim at strenghtening our body's own electromagnetic field. And there are methods to do that. The problem is that these methods also have the potential to make you worse, much worse, if the person treating you doesn't know what he/she is doing.
If you have the time and patience you can learn a method called EFT. This method does not make you worse if it doesn't work. But it MAY restore enough balance in the system to get you sleeping. You can download the manual for free (www.emofree.com) or learn the method from a practitioner.
There is also a homeopath (Peter Chapell) who has developed what he claims to be somekind of protection against radiation from mobile masts - I don't know what the stuff does. But anyone can buy it from homeopathic pharmacies and try it. I would, however, look thoroughly into it before trying it.
The sad thing is of course that EMF and radiation probably causes damage anyway in the long run. In all living beings. And we should certainly remember the recent warnings from doctors treating electrosensitive persons: patients that have used so called protective gadgets ended up worse because they exposed themselves to more radiation than their system could handle.
Maria
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Henrik
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# Posted: 12 Oct 2009 21:35
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Lingaro,
Good suggestion! I have been looking into EFT myself for some time now.
My experience is that EFT, which is a offshoot from acupuncture, helps to restore balance in your bodies own energy system, often referred to as the meridian system.
5000 years ago the Chinese recognized that our bodies have an subtle energy system, that controls the physical body. They realized that the bodies energy flows along well-defined pathways with acupuncture points along the way. Disruption in this flow causes health problems and disease. This energy system seems to be closely interlocked with the subconscious mind. Look at a meridian chart and it looks just like an electrical diagram. See Dr. Robert O. Becker's book: "Cross Currents" for scientific info on how this system is electrical in nature.
The US National Institute of Health is researching the effects of acupuncture and related treatments.
See here: http://nccam.nih.gov/health/acupuncture/
I suspect that EMF can disrupt your bodies natural energy flow so it needs to be "reset".
The idea is that you "tap" on specific meridian end-points on your face, upper torso and fingertips while you intensely focus mentally on the trauma you want to heal / release.
With psychological problems, like post-traumatic stress disorder, you can experience almost instant and permanent release of such problems with EFT. With problems like electrohypersensitivity where your system is constantly under attack from wireless radiation, you need to perform EFT regularly to keep your symptoms in check.
As Lingaro suggested, take a look at www.emofree.com for info on how to perform EFT. The emofree site is run by an electrical engineer called Gary Craig.
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Mike
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# Posted: 22 Oct 2009 21:09
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Thank you both for your replies.
Has anyone of you tried the EFT method or the homeopathic solution by Chapell? And if yes, have you seen a difference?
I do not know if this is related to our hypersensitivity, but recently I have been having increased heart rate and the need to urinate very often. I suspect that these symptoms are related to the EMF condition...
Do you know of any remedies for these symptoms?
I hope I haven't been causing any trouble with all these questions...
Thanks
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Agnes
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2009 19:47
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Mike.
This discussion Forum was set up especially so that people with similar problems as you have can ask questions and other people can give advice
if they have found a solution that works for them that might be worth trying.
So you are Not Causing Any Trouble!
Instead, not only you, but many others are getting info through the discussion, from others in a similar situation , that they can try out.
Just think about it, Where Else would we get information?
As to your symptoms.
My husband and I were harmed by a mobile mast on the house next door in 2003, and got similar symptoms as you are experiencing, plus a few more like skin rash, tinnitus, nausea etc.
It was so bad that we had to abandone our house and find a new house to buy in the country side, which is in a conservation area of Outstanding Natural Beauty (The Malvern Hills) where no masts will be allowed to be erected, so there is quite far to the nearest mast from where we live.
By now neighbours Dect phones and Wi-Fi have forced us to make our house and office building (just up the road) into Faraday Cages, with earthed Yshield Carbon paint and silver bobbinet in front of our windows,
which keeps us OK while inside.
But I am sorry to have to admit that although we now write 2009 our symptoms have not dissapeared when we come near to a mast or a person with a mobile phone, so I have my nasty doubts that they ever will.
Melatonin:
A UK outlet or Melatonin (the American firm Biovea) has now set up an outlet in the UK, I would think because of the many UK customers they had (I am one), before we had to import it as a health suppliment.
I use their 3 mg capsules, which I take about 20-30 minutes before going to bed.
This gives me a good nights sleep, and there are No Hangovers the next day. I include a link as they also give information on what is in the capsules.
http://www.biovea.net/category_dispatch.aspx?CID=7
Mast-victims.org do Not sell Anything, and we do Not receive any remuration from any company for promotion, as Mast-victims is a totally independent website run by mother and son (we are Henrik, and me Agnes, his mom) and all cost is held by us, and it will Always stay that way.
We set up the MV website after our horrid experience of the mast radiation in 2003 when we realized that there were millions of people who had landed in a similar situation as us, had been made sick and found out that there was No Official body prepared to help us in any way as there was far to much revenue to be had (The UK Government today cashes in around £. 15 billion/year from mobile calls and mast use) so you could say that have sold our health for cash!
And they Do Not Care if they make you homeless and cause you immence misery, it seems the "Human Rights Act" stops there.
Sorry about the gloom, but this is where it still stands for us today.
Best regards.
Agnes Ingvarsdottir. www.mast-victims.org
agnes@mast-victims.org
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Lingaro
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2009 18:06
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Hello again Mike!
I'm sorry to say that increased heart rate and increased need to urinate could indeed be related to the EMF condition.
Henrik provided you with an excellent presentation of EFT. I think the method is worth learning if you have the time (and possibility to print out the download and make a booklet out of it). I have seen that it has some impact on sleeping problems - at least sometimes. And you can also use it to reduce stress and try it on any other problem.
When it comes to the heart: I have seen distilled 100% pure Aloe Vera work as a tonic on animals and people with heart problems. It's not in any book, but I found that it kind of sooths the whole system - including the heart. I don't know if all Aloe vera products act the same. So far I have only tried the completely pure Aloe Vera with no additives (since I mainly use it for animals). The dosage for humans could be 2 spoons at bedtime or at the time when the heart rate feels uncomfortable, increase if needed. And try EFT!
If the heart condition continues you need to see a doctor.
I sent a mail regarding Peter Chapells solution to him (or his staff), I'll get back to you if I get an answer. I don't see the solution on his webb anymore, so maybe it's outdated. This is likely to be the case since we're surrounded by so many different frequencies today, not only GMS.
Last spring I also tried to get in touch with a woman who develops flower essences, since she already has developed a copule of essences that adress the body's electrical system. These esseneces are, however, far too weak to be an option for EHS. I have not managed to get through to her yet, I only got an answer that they will get back to me later...
I'll keep you posted if I find options that work and are perfectly safe for everyone.
Maria
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Henrik
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2009 08:27
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Mike & Lingaro,
I came across a really simple meridian technique called "de-switching" that works brilliantly (for me at least). See a short video presentation of it by Dr. Manfred Doepp, here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6KKyPjnhjI
(I think he's German, so bear with the accent ;-) )
Best, Henrik
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 1 Feb 2010 15:10
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Dear all, from the discussions I can see that there are some open questions concerning swiss shield canopies and curtain. I can assist you with those. Best regards Henrik Tvenge
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Lingaro
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# Posted: 1 Feb 2010 18:14
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Well, when in comes to canopies I don't have the foggiest idea how to ground them...
I am now using Swisstulle silver bobbinet.
There is not a singel word about grounding in the instructions I got when purchasing it. But I can see other suppliers (and Sarah above) suggesting grounding.
How exactly is it done?
Do you simply "attach" one end of a copper wire anywhere to the bobbinet and attach the other to the radiator??
It's sad to buy all kinds of expensive materials but not getting instructions on how to use them, or take care of them, properly. So it would be great to hear from anyone who knows how to ground canopies.
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 2 Feb 2010 08:01
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Hello Lingaro
There are 3 types of fields or waves. Low Frequency 0 - 30 KHz and High Frequency 30 KHz and up. In the Low Frequency range you have electric fields and magnetic fields. The electric fields are shielded off without grounding. This is the faraday principle. A car is not grounded but still protecting against lightening. All around you have the fields but inside you have 0. The magnetic fields are not shielded off. When talking about high frequency there is no need to ground the canopy. Nothing will stay in the fabric as the fabric is highly conductive. Everything is being thrown away. Shielding fabrics can work in two ways. Either absorbing the radiation and turning it into heat. This is the case with Carbon Fibres. When you have a fabric with a high conductivity it will reflect the radiation working like a mirror. Therefore there is no reason to ground a canopy.
Henrik Tvenge
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EMFields
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# Posted: 2 Feb 2010 10:56
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Hi Lingaro
We have come to the conclusion that in some cases, grounding the canopy can actually cause more problems than not grounding it. We have revices our grounding instructions accordingly - if in doubt, you need to measure the fields to work out if you need to ground or not. Earthing (grounding) information can be found on our website on this page - http://www.emfields.org/screening/earthing.asp
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Lingaro
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# Posted: 2 Feb 2010 17:40
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Thank you both for your answers. That was useful information.
I also discovered there are Erthing kits to buy, so one doesn't have to wonder too much about wires and stuff :-).
Speaking about lightning. Last summer I tried a magnetic mattress (inside the canopy). One night there was a storm and the lightning really affected the canopy-mattress combination. I remember experiencing a sound as of gun shots in my head and feeling like being in the middle of a heavy electrical field. It was kind of scary.
I had been trying to check if you can use a mattress with magnets inside a canopy, but no one knew. Now I know. You can not, should not. Never.
Someone also told me that you should avoid all kinds of metals inside the canopy. I still ha a normal mattress (with spirals). Needs to be changed I guess.
Thanks again!
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Anonymous
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# Posted: 2 Feb 2010 18:19
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Hi Lingaro
It is a good idea to avoid metals. However if the canopy is made properly very little radiation gets through. Metals work like an antenna. I am sure you remember the old UHF Television antennas. The different lengths of the metals rods were for the different wave lenghts. But never ever sleep on metal alone. The magnetic mattresses can increase the radiation of the body. Imagine that you would cover your mattress with a aluminium foil or a piece of condutive fabric. You would sleep in the middle of the fabric and the weight of your body would shape the foil or the fabric like a saucer. Before the radiation would go through the mattress but with the conductive fabric under your body the radiation cannot go through the mattress. The waves will hit the fabric or the metall and will be reflected up in your body. This is how a satellite disc works. Therefore if you have metall under your body you will need metal on top as well. Hope you understand my explanation. Henrik Tvenge
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