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atulsathe
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# Posted: 23 Apr 2013 13:48
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Dear all,
I recently happened to read one presentation in PDF on the internet by Indian Institute of Technology professor, about the hazards of mobile tower radiations.

In my locality in India, the adjacent building has 7 mobile antennas. Of these 1 is circular antenna (which is said to emit focused radiation in one direction) and the other six are rectangular antenna (which are said to emit radiation over wider range). Of these two (rectangular antenna) face in the direction of our building. Our building is 5 storey tall and that building is 10 storey tall. The antennas set up facing our building are on their terrace (above 10th floor) and I live on the 3rd floor of our building. Thus, there is a distance of 7 floors between me and the cell towers on the neighbouring building. I tried to calculate the distance between my flat and the tower using Pythagorus theorem of geometry and the distance (hypotenuse) comes to about 25-28 metres. My questions are as follows:

1) The presentation mentions that rectangular mobile tower antennas have maximum radiation in the "main beam" zone (5-10 degrees angle) upto 300 metres. It also mentions that there is some radiation in the area below the "main beam". In our case, in which area do we fall and how serious is the possibility of radiation?

2) Should I consider whether we are in the "main beam" area or non-main beam area or should I consider the direct distance between my flat and the antenna (i.e. the 25-28 metres hypotenuse)?

3) Will the other antennas facing in the other directions also have any radiation impact on us?


I look forward to your valuable responses on the seriousness of radiation in my flat/building, if you have any details on this, so that we can decide whether to complain about this mobile tower to authorities. Thank you very much.

Anonymous
# Posted: 23 Apr 2013 18:48
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Atulsathe

Look here
Our life in the main beam of a mobile phone mast
by Christine Kind

http://www.mast-victims.org/index.php?content=journal&action=view&type=journal&id=70& sort=2
click 'Sort oldest first'

That will get the pages in the correct order.
Read her story. Look at the graphs on the second page.

The first picture shows how the radiation intensity varies with distance from the antennae.

The 2 graphs show how the intensity varies with horizontal distance from the mast and how the intensity varies with the vertical distance.

Both horizontal and vertical distance need to be considered.
Even if you are not within a 5-10 degree of the centre of the main beam, this does not indicate that it is safe.

The telecoms operators sometimes say that the radiation is flat like a pancake near to the antenna. Not true. There are effects due to to side lobes.

If possible, I suggest that you get a meter to measure the actual maximum exposure levels that you are being exposed to - at different
times of the day. You need the peak reading.

M

Henrik
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# Posted: 23 Apr 2013 23:05
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atulsathe,

The image below shows typical radiation pattern from a mobile tower (note dark areas represent strongest radiation):
mobile tower radiation pattern
Note the side-lobes going towards ground close to the tower base. They can be just as intense as the center of the main beam.

Given your description, I doubt that you are in the actual main beam at that height difference and distance but would consider the possibility of side-lobes though.

Regarding the antennas facing away: almost all the radiation is propagated in the main beam direction as the antennas have a large directional gain.

Please bear in mind that simple inverse-square law calculations will greatly underestimate the actual radiation at distance if you don't factor in the antenna directional gain. Even telecom technicians make this mistake. I've dealt with a few. Of course they know that the antennas are directional but just apply the simple inverse-square anyway. Its like they never actively thought about it or questioned it.

I'll digress a bit to illustrate a point...
I'm aware this might sound provocative to some, but telecom employees seem to display the sort of behavior that's observed in cults - where they don't question the dogma (or get excommunicated if they do) and accept even illogical statements as truth - like for example that ICNIRP guidelines are set up to protect public health - when those setting the guidelines require absolute scientific proof of harm and thus ignore the fact that everyone is now exposed and when absolute scientific proof of harm is established, it will simply be too late to protect public health. Damage will already have been done to the population at large. We need to treat mobile tower radiation as an urgent environmental issue which requires a Precautionary Approach.
Take for example this former Australian telecom technical chief (video), who demolished several mobile towers after realizing how dangerous the radiation is. Pay close attention to what he says about himself and others being removed from the industry if they spoke out about the dangers. I've seen it happen too. More about that if anyone is interested.
There's also this worrying piece here where studies finding effects are omitted from science journals. Why would they go to such lengths to obscure those findings?

Well, back to science. The simple inverse-square law requires a so-called isotropic antenna, meaning one that radiates evenly in all directions (imagine, like an ordinary light bulb where mobile tower is more like a flashlight beam).

The circular antenna you observe will be a so-called "point-to-point" link that, as you state correctly, is said to emit focused beam between mobile tower positions. However, in reality those beams can have an outward spread of up to 30 degrees. So in some cases, like in apartments near roof level, they can be the most significant source of microwave radiation.

Could you send that PDF presentation? I'd like to look at it. If possible, please send to:
henrik {-at-} mast-victims.org
replace {-at-} with @

agnes
# Posted: 25 Apr 2013 01:50
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Henrik
You say:"I'm aware this might sound provocative to some, but telecom employees seem to display the sort of behavior that's observed in cults - where they don't question the dogma (or get excommunicated if they do) and accept even illogical statements as truth -"'

I have experienced exactly the same.
Not only do the telecoms employees display the behavior of extreme religious cults, but they are prepared to (and have done) "LIE under OATH" and Falsify documents and evidence in Court, to protect their Cult and employer!

So, I totally agree with you.
Best regards.
Agnes

atulsathe
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# Posted: 29 May 2013 12:29
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Dear all,
Thank you for your feedback on my first query titled "Is it safe? 7 floors below, opposite cell tower". Subsequently, I got the radiation tested in my house by a Government of India agency. It comes to 0.0034 Watt/m square. In context of my first query, I request your opinion, whether it is safe for long-term human health.
Regards,

Henrik
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# Posted: 29 May 2013 18:30
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atulsathe,

Wonder why they've given measurements in Watts/m2. That's unusual in health-based exposure measurements. Perhaps they've chosen the highest unit of measurement to be able to put as many zeros after the dot as possible.

If you believe the official exposure guidelines are safe then 9 Watts/m2 is the limit. However, that's for six minutes of exposure and prevents your flesh from heating. Those guidelines offer protection from what is called "thermal effects" and rely completely on your bodies ability to thermoregulate - a bodily compensation function that is already taxed in places like India.

If you consider so-called "non-thermal" effects that occur at exposure levels far below what is required for heating of tissue, then you arrive at much lower safety thresholds.
The BioInitiative Report by a group of independent, international scientists set in 2007 a precautionary maximum guideline for chronic exposure at 0.001 Watts/m2. You are being exposed to three times that. The BioInitiative scientists admitted at the time that their guideline was temporary and subject to change as new scientific information is published. So in 2012, based on new scientific data, the BioInitiative updated the maximum recommendations for chronic exposure to 3 microWatt/m2 or 0.000003 Watt/m2

My opinion: 0.0034 Watt/m2 (or 3.4 milliWatt/m2 as I would call it) is much too high for chronic exposure, given the low levels at which biological effects have been found.

atulsathe
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# Posted: 30 May 2013 06:21
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Dear Henrik,
Thank you for your valuable feedback. I got similar feedback from a professor of Indian Institute of Technology, Mumbai. Now it seems we have to request or force the neighbouring building to remove the antennas or we have to shift residence, which is not easy in a city like Mumbai. Moreover, we see such clusters of antennas on every 4th or 5th building in this city. So it seems the entire city is full of radiations, except maybe the ground or first floors of buildings since all antennas are on roof tops (above 5-6 floors at least). A though issue with no solution in sight. Your website is indeed valuable and doing great work for information dissemination.
Regards,

atulsathe
Member
# Posted: 31 May 2013 13:04
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Dear Henrik,
I have another query. As I had mentioned, I got the radiation tested in my house by a Government of India agency. It comes to 0.0034 Watt/m square. Now this is near the windows. Would it be less and harmless in other parts of the house away from the windows. What could be the radiation level away from the windows? There is only one source of radiation, which is from the top of a building opposite. Two of our windows face in that direction, even as the mobile towers are seven floors above on the opposite building.
Regards,
Atul Sathe

Henrik
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# Posted: 1 Jun 2013 00:58
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atulsathe,

They only measured at one point in the house? They should know that building materials like wall structures have different degrees of absorption and reflection. Some materials attenuate radiation as it passes through and other materials reflect the invisible radiation similar to a mirror reflecting light. You have to measure every room to get a decent idea of where the lowest exposure can be.

Were the measurements done at the windows facing the direction of the towers?

Really, if a measurement at any point in the house yields 0.0034 Watt/m2 then I doubt that you can find a spot that is anywhere close to the BioInitiative recommended max. levels.

Because of the complex absorption/reflection abilities of construction materials its difficult to estimate and only a measurement will tell for sure what the levels are at specific points in a residence.

What are the walls made of? Brick? (if brick, then what colour brick?) Concrete? Wood?

atulsathe
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# Posted: 11 Jun 2013 08:19
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Dear Henrik,
Thank you for the reply. The agency measured radiation in all the three rooms of the house. All measurements were done near the windows. Of the three rooms, two have windows facing the radiation source (which is 7 floors above) and one has window not facing in direction of the source. But the measurements came more or less same (0.0034 w/m2) at all three windows. They did not take measurements away from the windows. The walls are made of red soil bricks (the soil that is found in this part of India) with cement in between two bricks and a coat of about one inch cement plaster covering the brick walls. There is a coat of plastic emulsion paint over it on the inside and some kind of paint on the outside too. The columns and beams are of course of RCC.

Interestingly, the measurement came same in another flat on same floor, which is little more distance wise away from the source than we are. This was again done in window facing the source. It was also the same in the flat exactly above us, which is closer to the radiation source, since it is above us. However, the measurements came about 0.0055 and 0.0046w/m2 on the terrace of our building. The terrace is two floors above us, since it is a 5-storey building. We are on third floor.

I convened a meeting of all our building flat owners regarding this issue and they realise that long-term exposure can be an issue of concern, but still they have no decision about what to do. The neighbouring building on which the towers are installed, is considered to be full of arrogant and high profile people who have contacts at many places.

Frankly, I do not know at the moment what to do with this radiation issue now. If our building members, do not take any initiative, I plan to approach the neighbouring building on my own.

Thanks again.

Anonymous
# Posted: 12 Jun 2013 12:59
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The readings
0.0034 W/m = 3400 microwatts per square metre.
0.0055 w/m2 = 5500microwatts per square metre
0.0046w/m2 =4600 microwatts per square metre

I assume that the readings that the officials found were average readings measured over 6 minutes. [as in ICNIRP guidelines]
That is they were not measuring the peak readings.

I wonder what the peak readings were???

agnes
# Posted: 14 Jun 2013 01:35
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Hi atulsathe

There is German company who specialize in protection against Microwave Radiation protection in the homes and business premises.
Their name is Yshield: http://www.yshield.com/

They have an agent in India:
Quote from Yshild letter to me because of my inquiry:
" Kavitha from India: Her company is called " SUNDARAM TEXTILES LIMITED"
( http://www.sundaramtextiles.com/product.htm )
She worked already with HSF54, grounding and window film. So maybe she can give some advice.
Email: sk.kavithamdu@gmail.com

Try to contact them for advice.
Best regards.
Agnes

ediz.sayar@gmai l.com
# Posted: 1 Aug 2013 23:07
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mon pauvre,
si tu as besoin d'aide ,écrit moi,

atulsathe
Member
# Posted: 21 Oct 2013 07:53
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Dear all,
Thank you for regular feedback on earlier queries pertaining to cell tower radiation. Since radiation in our apartment is 3.4 mW/metre sq, which is obviously far above the 0.1 mW/meter sq recommended by Bio-initiative Report, we got radiation tested in a relative's apartment in the vicinity. There the readings came to 2.9 mW/metre sq, which is also high by the same standards.

My question is by shifting to the relative's flat where the radiation is less by about 0.5, will we be safer? I think in Mumbai there will be no place where the radiation is 0.1 mW/metre sq. In such a case what is the realistic and practical safe level that we are likely to find somewhere. Moreover, we cannot go on testing at multiple locations all the time. An option is to buy the Detex metre available in India. But that does not show actual readings, but just three lights. Since it is designed as per Bio-initiative norms, any radiation above 0.1 mW/metre sq will be shown as dangerous. That means no place is safe to live, right? Is there a metre available in India that shows actual readings. Awaiting your reply.

Thanks and regards,
Atul Sathe, Mumbai, India

Anonymous
# Posted: 19 Dec 2013 18:37
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I realize that my flat on 8th floor comes directly opposite the terrace of opposite building where cell towers are installed.

Let me know how can I request radiation reading to be taken of my flat and whom do it contact and the cost of the same.

I am worried on how to mitigate the risk of exposure to dangerous exposure to me and my family who are always at home.

Henrik
Admin
# Posted: 20 Dec 2013 11:12
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Anonymous,

Where in the world are you (country, city)? That will help in finding someone to help you with measuring.

Anonymous
# Posted: 26 Dec 2013 05:52
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I would also like to know how can I have the radiation level checked at my home which is at 7th floor with window of one bedroom facing cluster of antennas at about 100m and other bed room and living room facing other cluster at 200m. Actually our building is surrounded by around 7-8 towers installed atop surrounding buildings which are at distance of 100-300m from my building.

Also please share any mitigation or counter measure to avoid this risk of radiation exposure.

I am staying in country-India,City-Navi Mumbai,Town-Vashi

atulsathe
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# Posted: 27 Dec 2013 07:37
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Dear Sir / Madam,
In Mumbai - India, you can get radiation measurements done from Telecom Enforcement Regulatory Monitoring (TERM) Cell of Dept of Telecom, Govt of India. You can lodge your complaint on the number 9969555000. They will guide you. The actual readings are taken by Telecommunications Consultants India Ltd (TCIL) - a Govt of India enterprise. However, keep in mind that Govt of India considers 450 milliwatts / metre sq as safe radiation limit, which is much lower than global limits. So they are most likely to give a report saying that it is safe! You can also get testing done from Nesa Consultants, Navi Mumbai. Try to generate support in your area. Hope this helps.

Anonymous
# Posted: 2 Jan 2014 11:15
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Many thanks for your help.

Mom of 2
# Posted: 8 Jan 2014 15:42
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Hi,

Installation of an antena is happening right now under my balcony.

I live in Dubai UAE, the terrace on the first floor has one of the rectangular antenas under my balcony & I can see it's back side which is about 10 meters away. On the other side of the terrace there are 3 antenas. so far they are still working so it's not operational.

I checked around my son's school there's a tower away approx 220 meter (measured by driving the car)

Today I noticed one next to my daughter's day care away approx 80-90 meters (measured by walking steps). The tower holding the 5 antena is placed at the ground level (same as the day care) but approx height is 10 meters. The day care has glass on front side & concrete on the back side with gypsum board separating classes.

Now I'm freaking out because I just realised that my 2 year old daughter have been going to that day care for 4 month now & she is the closest to an operational tower.

I'm seeking your advise on what I should do?
Should I take a photo of the towers & send them to you to check if they are the ones causing health issues?
Are there equipment or gear that protect kids & adults?

which type of machine; the rectangle or the disc/cone shape should we be aware of?
are there measuring devices available for individuals' use?

I'm looking now for a new house to rent that is at least 150 meters away. Is that safe enough?

Is it true that if we are behind the rectangle antena we are less likely to receive radiation at high levels?


Appreciate your help

watson
# Posted: 29 Apr 2014 15:44
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I have the chest bones assymetrical since puberty, my left side of the ribcage sticks out more than the right side, and I know some friends with the same issue.

After looking for things in common I noticed that all of us live near to cell phone antennas (less than 100 meters away). I have the theroy that it could be the cause, because a lot of people say that cell phone radiation have biological effects.

What do you think??

If a young guy/man who has lived HIS WHOLE LIFE or at least his puberty next to cell-antennas and has not an uneven rib-cage reads it, please tell me because that would throw away my theory.

Thank you

Anonymous
# Posted: 29 Apr 2014 19:13
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i have HF meters from gigahertz- Solutions in Germany
http://www.gigahertz-solutions.com/en/Online-Shop/Measurement/High-Frequency/Instrume nts.html#pd930-311

They have agents in India
Look here:
http://www.esteemhealthcares.com/contacts.html

M

agnes
# Posted: 30 Apr 2014 01:00
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Hi Watson.
Thanks for bringing this up.
And No, We do not have any record of anyone with the same problem, but if you think about it, the Cell Phone Antennas Safe Health Research seems to be ruled by the Cell Phone Industry and they seem, with our combined Governmental assistance to be able to squash, or at least down Any independent survey, probably as they deliver (short time) a very lucrative, taxable product to our respective country´s Treasury´s.
So if you are looking for a solution to your concern, dont expect an answer any time soon.
But might I suggest that you contact some of our tireless independent scientists (Thank god for them, we would be a lot worse out if it wasn't for them, they are our only hope, Free, Un-corrupt, (why Ill never understand if you look at blokes like Michael Repacholi, probably the most corrupt scientist in the whole wide world, He´s earning loads, but at our be-cost.

And yes Cell Phone Microwave Radiation certainly has biological effects, many of which you would not want to know about/hear about.

Your ribcage damage is a new one, but I will send it to one of my friends
a scientist at Karolinska Institute in Sweden, Professor Olle Johansen, and as his opinion.
Best regards.
Agnes
agnes@mast-victims.org

Anonymous
# Posted: 23 Aug 2014 19:27
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I have cell tower boosters on the terrace of my home does it also has a dangerous level of radiation they are only boosters I live on 2nd floor and tower is above that
Boosters also have a dangerous levels of radiation ?

lioness
Member
# Posted: 7 Mar 2015 04:34
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Hi, we have just been notified that aplanning application submitted for instalation of 17.5 meter telecommunication pole with 6 antennas and two 300mm dishes, five equipment cabinets and associated telecommunication in our road which is residential area. Less than 10 meter would be distance of
the instalation with living residents. What is the radiation intense pattern for less than 10 meter distance from mobile tower & cabinet base?

Anonymous
# Posted: 9 Oct 2015 06:57
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when u r told that excessive usage of a mobile is hazardous due to radiation then imagine the amount of radiation near a mobile tower, hope the government looks into this matter and stops giving permission for installation of mobile towers on buildings in residential areas

ann
# Posted: 18 Oct 2015 19:12
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There is a lot of radiation near a mobile phone mast and it does nor begin to lower for about 150 meters radius - according to my detector.
Write to your MP

Tess
# Posted: 27 Oct 2015 21:59
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Be careful too of wifi in the house as this is like a mast in your house. And I am getting concerned with the internet TVs as they also emit radiation like a mast.

ST
# Posted: 19 Jan 2016 09:01
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Hi,
I stay in Bangalore. There is a cell tower came up near boundary of my apartment and the tower is just 20 feet away from our flat. We stay in second floor of 4 storeyed apartment. I think the tower is Airtel 4G. I do not know whether we can get the tower removed from the place. If we can not get it removed, can you please suggest me how to go about it.

Henrik
Admin
# Posted: 19 Jan 2016 12:01
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ST,

A few questions to clarify:
- Are any of the flat panels on the cell tower pointing towards your flat?
- What is the approx. height difference between the tower and your flat?

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