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Binny123
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# Posted: 12 Apr 2016 15:55
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Hi all,

I am desperate for some advice.

6 weeks ago I had an MRI scan of the head to look at my eyes (the doctor suspected I had thyroid eye disease but was incorrect).

A couple of days after the scan I came over with an intense burning of the skin, which looked, and felt like severe sunburn. This pain ebs and flows, but in 6 weeks has not completely stopped. The skin looks slightly flushed, especially the face and chest.

My skin is very sensitive to touch, and reddens and goes into welts if I scratch or rub. It stings to scratch and often bruises afterwards.

Along with this, I am very weak and flu-like. I feel so shaky and exhausted. When the burning 'flares up' (out of no where- not related to my proximity to electrical devices), I get such bad flu-like 'fever' that I cannot function at all.

This is extremely distressing. I regret having the scan because I didn't want it (I had a bad feeling) but was trying to be brave and follow doctors orders.

I am currently completing my finals at university, and have worked so hard so far, thinking it was all going to be worth it for the freedom of a glorious summer off afterwards. Now that dream is in tatters.

I am looking for any hope or advice... really, hope, because that will help get me through. Does this sound like EMS? Will my symptoms eventually lessen now that exposure to the MRI is over? Am I destined to a life as far away from electro-smog as possible, and if so, will my persistent symptoms start to disappear?

Thank you so much in advance.

Henrik
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# Posted: 12 Apr 2016 16:41
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Binny123,

Was this your first ever MRI scan?

Binny123
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# Posted: 12 Apr 2016 18:26
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Hi Henrik,

Thanks for your response. No it wasn't. I had one in 2010 because I had a spat of severe migraines. I remember feeling really dizzy and wiped out after it, but only for the rest of the day. No long term effects from it.

Andre
# Posted: 17 Apr 2016 15:15
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You could have developed electrosensitivity due to the high radiation from the MRI machine. You could start by trying to manage without your mobile and other wireless gadgets and see if you feel any better. Turn everything off especially at night.

nutritionfacts_org
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# Posted: 20 Jun 2016 15:12
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I had a MR scan of the head 2009, which seemed to worsen the EHS. Although at the time, I didn't know I had EHS. Paradoxically, I the scan was originally for symptoms related to the EHS.

I had a MR scan this year (2016) also, this time only on my feet (which by default also includes the legs). After this MR scan I did have worse EHS symptoms with increased sensitivity. The symptoms didn't arrive at once, but in the days to follow.

Henrik
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# Posted: 21 Jun 2016 10:13
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nutritionfacts_org,

"After this MR scan I did have worse EHS symptoms with increased sensitivity. The symptoms didn't arrive at once, but in the days to follow."

And that's the main problem with many of the oft quoted "no effect" EHS studies - they assume that symptoms are immediate.

nutritionfacts_org
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# Posted: 22 Jun 2016 15:29
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Henrik,

"And that's the main problem with many of the oft quoted "no effect" EHS studies - they assume that symptoms are immediate."

It's called lag time. Any decent scientist should know the concept of lag time. When lag time is ignored, it makes you question the involved scientists motives and professional level.

Another problem with EHS studies is that the control is ridiculous. At some point EHS sensitivity just flatten out, just like LDL cholesterol does. From that point on measuring anything meaningful is impossible. It is not likely that anyone will notice a 5th cell phone nearby, given that 4 cell phones nearby already are connected to masts. Either a EHS sensitive will not notice, or the person will have nausea from the 4 or 5 cell phones anyway. And properly shielded rooms as control are rare in studies on EHS.

Also, assumptions take up way too much space, not just in science.

Andre
# Posted: 25 Jul 2016 18:27
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That is another problem - the control. It Is difficult to get a controlled study because it is so difficult to completely remove the background radiation, which is increasing for all the techs.
So they take a person that already had plenty of exposure to EMFs and add the EMFs to be tested and they don't see much difference. Then they are supposed to keep them clear of EMFs and test them again, but no difference.
For a start, it takes a while to clear the system of the effects of EMFs - the lag time as you put it - but also it is difficult to recover because of the background - as already mentioned.
Anyway all in all the mobile phone companies use this to their advantage and tells us that there is nothing to worry about and governments believe them.
In the meantime people are suffering.

Even just a bit of advice that people should be careful using their mobiles after an MRI scan could go a long way in reducing the symptoms. Doctors never seem to give any advice on prevention - of anything!
Desperate!

jbowler14
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# Posted: 8 Jun 2017 22:27
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I'm hoping this thread will continue to be watched.

I sustained a thermal burn injury during a routine MRI procedure last November. The incident occurred on a Siemens Vero 3Tesla MRI machine during a CSpine/Thoracic scan. Here is a brief account of what happened : When I arrived I noticed the room and MRI bed were warmer than usual because they were very busy and moving people in and out. I was positioned lying on my back and entered head first. There was no padding used during the study but no part of my body touched the walls of the machine. I held the 'panic' button in my right hand and my hands came together just below my sternum in a typical 'praying' position so my arms rested on my upper abdomen as opposed to down by my sides. The procedure was started immediately. About 10 minutes into the 2nd procedure (thoracic) I started to feel a sort of prickly vibrating heat hitting my skin. It felt like a kind of rippling wave and I started to feel quite warm. It even seemed to vibrate my T-shirt and penetrate through. It was accompanied by a loud hum which I could hear over and above the typical clicking sound. I had never felt or heard anything like this on previous MRI procedures. The sensation wasn't excruciatingly painful like you would expect from a contact burn, so I decided I would just see it through. I believe the combined CSpine/Thoracic procedure took approximately 30-40 minutes and I felt this sensation for about the last 10-15.

When I got off the table I felt hot and mentioned it to the technician. She said it was normal to feel a bit warm when the machine had been running for a while. As the day wore on my skin got redder. I felt and looked like I had a bad sunburn. I started applying Aloe Vera gels and lotions. By the next morning I was very red and sore. I was pretty concerned and worried there may be deeper tissue damage. The next day I went to see my doctor. She said she was unfamiliar with MRI related burn injuries but after looking at me felt it had been caused by some type of thermal exposure and advised use of cooling gels and lotions. She consulted with an MRI physicist about the problem and was told : "Regarding the burn: I'd definitely recommend the pt to be checked out by a Dermatologist. MR burns typically starts at subcutaneous fat (no pain receptors) and moves up to epidermis. If the pt was not sedated during the scan and ended up with a burn, there is a clear chance that the patient has damage under the skin that is not visible. I reached out to a Professor of Radiology at USC who looked at my story and pictures and told me this was an RF radiation burn and that I needed to be checked out by a dermatologist ASAP. This was the beginning of a nightmare that has now lasted over 6 months. I have consulted with numerous dermatologists, general practitioners and MRI specialists over this time as well as conducting my own research and have learned a lot about RF frequency injuries and SAR. One of the other MRI physicists I contacted recommended I look at the SAR readings for my tests. He said these are used as an indication of over-exposure and are usually less than 1.

I was able to find these readings in the DICOM data on the disk (shown below). The overheating feeling I experienced started about 5-10 minutes into the Thoracic procedure which coincides exactly with the 4th thoracic sequence. I was between 2.5 and 2.72 SAR for about 7 minutes and this is when the burning occurred. These SAR reading are of course the machine estimates and not the actual SAR on my body. My belief is that sustained exposure to SAR above 2.5 was too much for my body to dissipate the heat and I burned. Having had many MRI's in the past I wondered why I had never had any problems before, but when I looked back at the SAR readings for numerous previous exams I noticed it was never more than 1.5 and whenever a sequence showed a higher SAR it was followed by one with lower SAR etc.

CSpine Sequence start 14:05 End 14:19

Start DICOM SAR
1 14:05:17 (0018,1316) DS [0.08906601] # 10, 1 SAR
2 14:07:43 (0018,1316) DS [0.9164475] # 10, 1 SAR
3 14:09:52 (0018,1316) DS [1.062324] # 8, 1 SAR
4 14:12:48 (0018,1316) DS [1.062324] # 8, 1 SAR
5 14:15:28 (0018,1316) DS [0.07535206] # 10, 1 SAR
6 14:18:50 (0018,1316) DS [0.7580933] # 10, 1 SAR
=> Thoracic Spine Sequence Start 14:19 End 14:37

Start DICOM SAR
1 14:19:29 (0018,1316) DS [1.7210823] # 10, 1 SAR
2 14:21:36 (0018,1316) DS [0.07548546] # 10, 1 SAR
3 14:22:24 (0018,1316) DS [0.15613435] # 10, 1 SAR
4 14:24:37 (0018,1316) DS [2.560578] # 8, 1 SAR
5 14:27:15 (0018,1316) DS [2.7193305] # 10, 1 SAR
6 14:28:17 (0018,1316) DS [2.7193305] # 10, 1 SAR
7 14:31:50 (0018,1316) DS [1.2738155] # 10, 1 SAR
8 14:34:23 (0018,1316) DS [1.8311454] # 10, 1 SAR

At 6 months post incident :

1) Skin – My skin continues to hurt wherever the thermal rays hit it. Face, neck, arms, upper torso and some on upper thighs. Erythema still present on face, neck and upper chest. I have a little temporary relief with lidocaine based topicals and anti inflammatories. Skin continues to atrophy and now shows marked deterioration and scarring. Dermatology consultations refer to skin corrosion consistent with a thermal burn injury and talk about protracted recovery times, and sometimes permanent damage.

John
Phoenix, AZ

jbowler14
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# Posted: 27 Jul 2017 18:39
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Binny123 - There is a Facebook group out there called 'MRI Injuries and Side Effects'. We are not alone with these MRI burn injuries as I'm sure we're not alone with the dismissal, disbelief and discrediting we put up with from the medical community. I am trying to get as many people together as possible who have experienced this. Please join the FB group and feel free to reach out to me at john85331@gmail.com

ARCTIC
# Posted: 23 Oct 2017 19:07
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I HAVE SUFFERED BURNS TO NECK AND SHOULDERS AFTER MRI AT R.A.H PAISLEY

andre
# Posted: 8 Nov 2017 18:11
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Do you think the doctors are interested in your health? They would be out of a job but for all the chronic illnesses out there. They leave out a huge chunk of the population who suffer from chronic allergies, headaches, ES. Unless you've got cancer they are not interested and then it takes them an age to diagnose. Instead people just get more and more iatrogenic diseases .......

jbowler14
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# Posted: 26 Nov 2017 17:18
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Read about my experiences with mri burn at www.mriburn.com

John

jbowler14
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# Posted: 26 Nov 2017 17:20
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ARCTIC. I'm sorry. Same happened to me. Do you look like this ?- www.mriburn.com

Kansasgirl
# Posted: 19 Sep 2018 01:53
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Anyone had a feeling that your insides were "jumping up & down" sort of like an intense vibration feeling while getting an MRI? It makes me so nauseous that I have been unable to complete the last 2 attempts at getting an MRI? This happened the very first time I had one but was able to complete it with true grit. Tech says i may be claustrophobic, but last time I was outside the machine from my shoulders uo (mri of my thigh) & I do not have any problems with being in an elevator or our tornado safe room. People think i'm a wimp I know, but it physically makes me ill. Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this?

Henrik
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# Posted: 21 Sep 2018 17:32
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Kansasgirl,

I know of a case where a person felt like he was physically burning while in an MRI. Had to abort the screening.

Andre
# Posted: 23 Sep 2018 18:24
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Henrik is your mum alright? We have not heard from her for a while.

Coco14
# Posted: 24 Oct 2018 11:55
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After an mri or ct scan even though mri has non ionizing radiation I get terrible blood pressure/ heart rate symptoms for up to 2 days.

Henrik
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# Posted: 25 Oct 2018 11:56
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Coco14,

MRI exposes you to both an intense static magnetic field and bursts of radiofrequency field.

plopplop
# Posted: 17 Nov 2018 11:13
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25 KW AM radio burst which (when divided by the dielectric coefficient) is all designed to short and stay inside your body. Thats why AM radio is so nasty. The French wont use it. It cripples me.

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