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Andre
# Posted: 24 May 2016 15:57
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I have ES but recently I was diagnosed with liver disease and I wonder if it has made my ES symptoms worse - it feels like it.

Henrik
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# Posted: 27 May 2016 18:36
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Andre,

I'm not a medical doctor but from personal experience I found the the Dr. Hulda Clarke liver & gallbladder cleanse relieved my symptoms and allergies considerably.

Andre
# Posted: 29 May 2016 15:58
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Henrik I wrote this because I finally went to the doctor due to a painful leg. then the pain killers were making me ill, feeling as though I was poisoned. On further tests they found my liver function tests were wrong. I always felt that the illness from microwaves was similar to drinking wine.
I often think of the research where they found microwaves cause leaks in the blood/brain barrier. So I wondered if any toxins get into the brain e.g. from drugs and cause illness.
P.S. I could never drink alcohol even when I was young - it made me ill.

Arthur
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# Posted: 30 May 2016 11:23 - Edited by: Arthur
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>>I often think of the research where they found microwaves cause leaks in the blood/brain barrier. So I wondered if any toxins get into the brain e.g. from drugs and cause illness.

Yes, that's probably one of the reasons why some have pointed out that the bigger the so-called "toxic load"you carry in you, the more susceptible you are to ES. There is the issue of leaky gut too, caused by GMOs, traumatic birth in hospital, the very killing of cells by EMR which awakens candida in my opinion etc. You would have two "leakages" then, one down there, one up there, complementing each other nicely. Therefore things like liver cleansing, repair of the gut with glutamine etc are definitely interesting for ES people.

andre
# Posted: 4 Jun 2016 17:49
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Thanks Arthur.
It looks as though I've had this liver problem for a long time and I remember years ago that a doctor mentioned that my liver enzymes were at the level of those of an alcoholic and he did enquire why did I not follow it up. I was too ill at the time but the GP and family did not do so!
A lot of years wasted at least I would have been more careful about taking any tablets of any sort - not that I take many. I find even a paracetamol works all day on pain.

Arthur
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# Posted: 6 Jun 2016 21:00 - Edited by: Arthur
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Have you read the very well-known:
http://www.truthkeeperz.com/andreas.moritz.-.the.amazing.liver.cleanse.pdf?

It would be interesting to know where exactly your legs hurt, because I remember Moritz saying, strangely enough, he knew for a fact that there is a connection between liver and knees, and as soon as the liver is cleansed, many patients pain in the knee went away; this is less acknowledged that the better know connection liver-eyes.

EMR gives me a knee leg, but that is because I have one surgery done in one of them, I feel it after one or two hours in a place with wifi, to the point it becomes tricky to walk.. As soon as I go to the fields and get barefoot, it goes away and I feel like a kid. A lot of people would believe they have arthrosis! I have also noticed over the years, EMR gives you stiff and "cracking" bones and joints in general, but you recover easily if you stop the exposure.

At any rate, liver and EMR exposure are among the biggest illness sources of our time, so you are doing well looking at both no doubt. Do as much as you can for that liver of yours. Good news is that it has tremendous regenaration abilities, only very advanced cirrhosis is hopeless.

Henrik
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2016 02:50
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Arthur,

The liver cleanse recipe you refer to, by Andreas Moritz, is virtually identical to the Dr. Hulda Clarke recipe.

charles
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2016 19:30
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The question was: liver disease and I wonder if it has made my ES symptoms worse

The liver is one of the first organs which has to cope with elektrosmog.
I have this device from Chine, which can measure 240Biomarkers within 2 minutes.
It measures a.o. the *Electromagnetic Radiation Factor*, which is a good reference of the load of elektrosmog in the body.
It also measures five liver functions, among them the *Liver Fat Content*.

I could measure that when exposed to elektrosmog, the Liver Fat Content factor did increase.
When a *protection device* was placed, the Liver Fat Content factor did decrease, even below the zero measurement.

So when the liver is not functioning as it should do, the influence of elektrosmog will increase, to answer the question.

Andre
# Posted: 10 Jun 2016 20:16
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Thanks Charles.
I do have an emf detector and luckily it is not bad where I live - although it had got worse in recent years.
The doctor did say it is called a fatty liver but I am normal weight.
It just upsets me that I see all these people drinking so mauch and are healthy and I have never been able to even drink a little bit.

Andre
# Posted: 10 Jun 2016 20:27
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Sorry I had somebody at the door.
Sadly it is either genetic or I had various exposures as a youngster - once with insecticide and later I took up renovating an old Victorian house and burnt all the paint off the wood which probably contained loads of lead. I don't know but I remember going for interviews for a job and they would offer wine and I used to think this is another job I am not getting because even sips would go straight to my head.
In later years I found mobile phones having the same effect, that is why I wondered if the blood brain barrier research showing that microwaves cause leakages of toxins into the brain is interesting.
Charles I expect this device from Chine is not cheap! and I don't buy anything from the internet.

Andre
# Posted: 10 Jun 2016 20:43
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Arthur I just flicked though the Moritz book and I will take notice - will read properly soon. I hope it will help. Thanks

Tess
# Posted: 8 Jul 2016 16:12
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I would like to share my experience with liver disease. Some time a go I had blood tests which showed that the liver enzymes where our of range. I left it thinking that paracetamol was responsible and it will improve. Unfortunately some months later I still get nausea at the ingestion fo any chemical.

Today I went to see the doctor thinking I need to get to the bottom of this and have it diagnosed properly.
It was a strange experience. I tried to tell him that I think I've had it for many years and gave examples of visits to the doctor e.g for pain in the stomach but the ECG found nothing. Also for body odour (fetor hepaticus) but he gave me antibiotics for halitosis. And when I was in a coma from what seems to me now was hepatic encephalopathy. he did not want to hear it.
I got a tirade that I look things up on the internet and get paranoid and he thinks it is definitely not liver disease. And when I mentioned that mobile phones make it worse he was very cross.

He did not ask what are the symptoms or examined me. He seemed more interested in the time - which was less than 10 minutes - my partner who was waiting noted.

nutritionfacts_org
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2016 11:57
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Andre,

Eating a lot of fat can break your liver just as a lot of alcohol.
For some reason fat is rarely mentioned as a prime cause of liver disease, even though that's what the science dictates.

Try for a period (for instance 14 days):
- eat as little fat as possible (really)
- eat as much fiber/plant as possible
- drink 3-5 liters of pure water/day
- keep alcohol and table sugar low

Then get some new blood work done.

Andre
# Posted: 22 Jul 2016 19:28
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Nutrition
Thanks for the information. I know the liver can regenerate and I will try harder but believe me I have had a healthy diet for many years - partly because of the chronic illness. My fat intake is minimal and only use olive oil in small quantities. I don't take alcohol for the same reason - it makes me feel ill - poisoned. The liver problem was ongoing for many years and I recently found out that the thalassaemia trait which I have can cause liver disease due to build-up of iron.
It was recently after a painful leg that I took painkillers that made me nauseous and brought out the problem in the liver enzymes.

Andre
# Posted: 27 Nov 2016 16:14
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Having read about doctors looking out (or rather not) for causes in other blogs I thought I could mention my experience of recent months. I did say I will keep you posted. (And I also think that liver disease may well be making symptoms of ES worse in some people.)
The liver disease is still not resolved. My liver enzymes are high and I also have other symptoms, which have not even been considered and no doctor has asked me about or examined me for these. I only know because I have a biology/health background (and can read a medical textbook!)
I shall not bore you with the details, but over many (20) years, I went to the doctor with various symptoms that are now more obvious they are due to the liver problems. Body odour - treated with antibiotics!, pain in the chest/ stomach - heart disease? ECG - fine, fatigue- nothing wrong.
Seizures and coma after what I realised now were due to paracetamol tablets (took 6 in one day)
No one thought to give me blood tests, and when eventually they did they were ignored. No doubt they thought I was a hypochondriac. And let me say during all this time I was working in quite a demanding job, although in later years I went part time. I had no other life because I was permanently exhausted.
In recent years as I noticed that microwave gadgets were making me ill has helped to some extend and I think the blood brain barrier becoming leaky may have something to so with it. (Also see blog on this).
Henrik, please excuse my rant but I think liver disease may be more of a problem than realised. Please delete this blog if you want!

Andre
# Posted: 27 Nov 2016 16:17
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Now (after 6 months) I am waiting for an ultrasound scan, but never had any advise of what to do to improve liver function from a doctor.

Henrik
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# Posted: 28 Nov 2016 00:50
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Andre,

Nothing in there to warrant deleting your post.

I did the Dr. Hulda Clarke liver & gallbladder cleanse and it cleared up a number of problems.

Andre
# Posted: 28 Nov 2016 15:51
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Henrik, thanks.
I do carry out liver cleanse frequently and it helps but I think there is long standing liver damage that is just not healing. I feel generally better with small meals, less red meat, a mainly fruit and veg diet, and no tablets at all, but the pain is a little bit more frequent and also the itching and fatigue.

For anyone interested the chronic symptoms are: feeling generally poisoned, nauseous, low level headache and mental problems, fatigue, bloated stomach -loss of waist, loss of body hair, no cuticle on nails, red palms, and itching. (Some have yellow skin - but this is the main symptom that doctors look for). A person may not have all these all the time.
At the more extreme end one may have personality changes, sleeplessness, memory loss, nausea and vomiting, and seizures. Does that ring a bell? I think there is quite an overlap between ES and liver disease and I wonder if toxins getting into the brain is the common factor.
On one hand, in ES, the wireless radiation damages the blood/ brain barrier and toxins get into the brain, on the other hand in liver disease, there are too many toxins in the blood whereby they do the damage. The damaged liver does not change the toxins made by the body's metabolism to less toxic chemicals. (Hence the smell).
So a person with liver disease is more liable to ES because there are more toxins in the blood, which can get into the brain from the leaky membranes.

For a long time I wondered what could be in ES people that causes this illness - allergies perhaps, blood groups was suggested, genetic predisposition, Vitamin D levels, unhealthy diet, exposure to chemicals ??? Perhaps all of these? Now I am thinking that toxins in the blood are a good reason.

And I would like to mention that anyone who has ES they should take a blood test for liver function and Vitamin D levels, they are not expensive even if you have to pay. (PS low levels of Vit D can cause headachy, 'brain fog', symptoms.)
Well I hope this will help somebody.
I never would have thought that I had liver disease because I never liked alcohol.

agnes
# Posted: 29 Nov 2016 02:02
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Dear Andre.

I have no idea if this will help/support you or not, but here goes!
I have many of the same symptoms as you describe, when my GP has taken a Liver test, I am always told that my Liver count is fine.
I have very bad skin in places on my body, especially on my hands, where the skin is very dry, and tends to crack, and like you I have red and sore palms.

I have stomach pains, often diarrhea, very often sick, especially in the mornings when I wake up after a fitful night with "funny sleep" I am sure you will recognize that you are always conscious of every movement and every sound, so wake up exhausted.
Recently, April or May this year I got seriously ill, and ended up in hospital 2 times. All they did was to send me home with a bootie of Medicine, loads of strong painkillers etc, the lot of it made me ill, more than I had been before.
As soon as got home I ditched the painkillers and gritted my teeth instead.
That helped loads, much of the sickness disappeared, as opposed to you.

My biggest problem now is that I have real problems with eating, anything really, I do my best every day, but I am "NEVER HUNGRY ANYMORE", so this can be a real problem for me, but still I am trying the best I can, as we need food to survive.

Like you I blaim the over exposure to EMR , I was fine and healthy until a mobile mast installed by "Three" was installed 20 meters from my home in 2002.
And it wasn´t just me, we worked from our large house, (Office) and we All got sick. Staff were in a hurry to get home at the end of the day, and we were All sick during the daytime working hours.

In a matter of a very short time we had to abandon our home/place of work, because Everyone was Sick All The Time used at the address find a place where we could work and then find somewhere else to live.

So, No, you are Not Alone with this, and there are Many More who have not as yet volunteered their experiences on this matter, who use this website on a regular basis, but I really do hope they do.

All the best.
Agnes Ingvarsdottir

Andre
# Posted: 29 Nov 2016 20:51
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Agnes do you know your liver function test results? It seems that they don't take any notice of the numbers unless they are really high - double or more of the highest number on the range e.g. For the enzyme ALT the numbers are 3 to 33 but mine are always higher than 55 and they have been as high as 78 but were never followed up. (At the time I was too ill to take much notice of this). Which you wonder why they should have a range if it is ignored.
It seems to me that you have high levels of enzymes and that is why you cannot take tablets. ANY tablets seem to make me nauseous even those for constipation!

What sort of illness- did you faint? I was disorientated, could not speak and seemed to be drugged the doctors still asked me if I took any drugs even the day I was leaving. It appears that it could have had Hepatic encephalopathy - acute liver disease. It could have been brought on by paracetamol and EMFs as I was staying with my daughter at the time who could not lay off her phone!

It is worrying that you are not eating. You must try and eat, if you include appetite enhancers such as pickles might help. Are you near a mast at the moment? Have you moved yet? I noticed that you said that a neighbour has wifi and you are getting ill again.
Anyway all said and done I think there is some connection between liver disease and EMFs and the leaky blood/brain barrier may explain it. Do you think anyone will do a research to find out? No there is no money in it!

Do you think this could explain domestic abuse increasing? Imagine those men who are bordering on alcoholism and have mild cirrhosis - they'll be open to the effects of EMFs - the mind boggles!

However I still think everyone - liver disease or not gets affected to some extend by EMFs but much less. All the anxiety around that has become endemic is some evidence.

egfilla
# Posted: 12 Feb 2017 13:05
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Just for information, I am an ex police officer who for many years carried an airwaves radio system all day which was positioned in my body armour just in front of my liver. I was diagnosed around 15 years ago with autoimmune hepititus which is not at a stage where my liver values are 10x above the normal (recommended) value. Is it a conincidence? I do not know. When Airwaves (Tetra) was rolled out to the police service there were many reports of illness and I remember even within my own station people refusing to carry them. But when you are told to carry it or find another job what can you do?
So there you go! Also my symptons that prompted me to go the doctor in the first place (resulting in the AIH diagnoses) was acid reflux.

egfilla
# Posted: 12 Feb 2017 13:07
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Just for information, I am an ex police officer who for many years carried an airwaves radio system all day which was positioned in my body armour just in front of my liver. I was diagnosed around 15 years ago with autoimmune hepititus which is not at a stage where my liver values are 10x above the normal (recommended) value. Is it a conincidence? I do not know. When Airwaves (Tetra) was rolled out to the police service there were many reports of illness and I remember even within my own station people refusing to carry them. But when you are told to carry it or find another job what can you do?
So there you go! Also my symptons that prompted me to go the doctor in the first place (resulting in the AIH diagnoses) was acid reflux.

Henrik
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# Posted: 12 Feb 2017 23:11 - Edited by: Henrik
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egfilla,

Thanks for sharing that important information. Fatty tissues, like liver and breast (in females) absorb larger, deeper, doses of microwaves than other tissues.

Prior to the roll-out of TETRA (airwaves), The U.K. Police Federation commissioned a scientific literature review and report from Barrie Trower, a former MI5 physicist and science officer, specially trained in microwave warfare. At first, the report was classified as "confidential" by the Police, but later released. The report is archived at the TetraWatch website, here:
http://www.tetrawatch.net/tetra/trower.php
(see links at top of page, marked by green squares).

/henrik

charles
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# Posted: 15 Feb 2017 20:47
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The liver is the first stress organ.

I have a QRMA 918: It measures 240 medical biomarkers within 2 minutes.
Among them is a *electromagnetic radiation factor* and a *liver fat content*.

I once measured myself.
I installed a DECT phone on my desk.
After 10 minutes I measured again, and found that the liver fat content factor had increased.
With the DECt still in function I hang a ClaeSmog around my neck and measured again after 10 minutes.
Now the liver fat content had DECREASED, and even below the starting measurement.

So the liver is a principal victim, among others, for elektrosmog.
Other organs do also react, but at a much slower tempo.

Close to the liver is the gall bladder.
When the gall bladder is upset, you'll get pain in the neck, and in your head.

It is all very clear when using a NLS system, as I wrote earlier.
You can have one already for US$ 1000,-
I run an international support forum for NLS systems.
Quite a number of electrosensitives have bought a NLS and are quite happy with it.

Henrik
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2017 01:51 - Edited by: Henrik
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charles,

Yes, I've long suspected the liver to be the 1st. target for microwave radiation stress. This is simply based on acupuncture/meridian measurements. When an organ is stressed, the electrical impedance in its associated meridian drops, measurably and objectively.

For an organ like the gallbladder, that has such low regard in western medicine, the gallbladder meridian - in the chinese medicine - is surprisingly complex. Its meridian runs up the outer side of the leg, runs a zig-zag pattern up the side of the upper body, over the shoulder, up the neck and finally (and most interestingly) runs a complex pattern on the head.

Pain in a location on the body is most often related to imbalance in organs which meridians run through that location.

Charles, can you elaborate on what an "NLS" system is? And what is the mechanistic basis of the ClaeSmog? Just curious.

charles
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# Posted: 1 Mar 2017 21:50
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Non Linear diagnostic System.
Younplave a special headphone on nyour head and start scanning your body.
After scanning, you can treat damaged organs, tissuesm cells, chromosomes, DNA, etc. The treating can be doine in several ways, and you also can make your own medicines, homeopathic.
For those interested, a fisrt NLS would cost ca US$ 1000,-, while an advanced NLS costs ca, US$ 2000,-, with its own software, plus the software of the cheaper unit.
I run an internatiuonal support forum:
http://www.hetbitje.nl/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=2

Further I have mad two publications about NLS:
http://www.hetbitje.nl/BitjeE201411p.pdf
and
http://www.hetbitje.nl/bitjeE201509.pdf

About the ClaeSmog, which is a part of my 30 points plan:
http://www.minderstraling.nl/Pagina060a.html
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina300.html
The Dutch language may look like goble-di-gook, but with Google translate it is good readable.

I can also recommend reading about longitudinal waves:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina600.html
Look also at the pictures.

Be aware that longitudinal waves do travel over a much larger distance than the normal transversal waves.
Gebbensleben measured the influence of a mobile phone mast over a distance of 78 kilometer on a person.
I have great results by reflecting longitudinal waves with the advices by Gebbensleben.

charles
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# Posted: 1 Mar 2017 21:54
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PS. On my forum, where registration is obligatory, I do recommend a few Chinese companies, with which I and many members have good experience with over a number of years, and which are trustworthy.
Paying by Paypal gives an extra guarantee.

horsevad
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# Posted: 2 Mar 2017 20:43 - Edited by: horsevad
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Different backgrounds makes different people approach this subject with different terminology, so please do not perceive this as critisism, but I am quite interested in why people keep mentioning longitudional electromagnetic waves as they, per Maxwells equations, only exist in plasma. All electromagnetic waves propagated in free air (vacuum) are transverse.

Furthermore, we have literally mountains of experimentally verified evidence for the bioreactivity of transverse electromagnetic waves in certain modulations and frequencies. We do not need to search for some esoteric explanation requiering extensive rewriting of physical laws which have withstood all attemps at falsification for more than a century.

In that perspective this search for esoteric explanations for effects which can be fully explained by established science might even yield effects contrary to the EHS cause, as the public image of EHS could be associated with views not currently supported by science.

As such, I am truly intrigued why this concept of longitudial electromagnetic waves keep getting mentioned. Do you have any kind of experimental evidence for such longitudinal waves? Can you suggest any way to make some kind of measurement apparatus to distinquish between transverse propagated electromagnetic waves and the purported longitudially propagated electromagnetic waves?

As for the detection of "influence" from a mobile mast 78 km away - how do you know that this exact mast was the sole origin of the "influence" detected? Are there no masts closer? (How could check this?). Furthermore - 78km from a typical macro cell mobile mast yields exposure values just in the upper bounds of the "no concen" interval in the SBM2015 system, and as such fully detectable by normal measuring apparatus. The intensity of the electric field component of the transverse electromagnetic wave is - even at that distance - at least one order of magnitude greater than the theoretical lower limit for triggering voltage-gated calcium channels in the cell membrane.

In conclusion I would like to introduce a treedimensional understanding of transverse electromagnetic waves which could be the explanation for why some people perceive the electromagnetic waves as longitudinal (with the associated burst-like propagation):

For more advanced signal analysis the electromagnetic signal i ususally represented by the I/Q-components, which represents the amplitude and phase of the signal.

If you view a tranverse-propagated amplitude-modulated I/Q-represented electromagnetic wave in a 3-dimensional graphical representation it will actually exhibit some resemblance to the burst-like propagation structure of the longitudional wave. As the bioreactivity is mediated by non-linear stochastic interactions with very fine-tuned VGCC's, presumeable operating in discrete enery levels, this concept could explain why some people perceive a burst-like propagation structure, even though the signal in factually is transverse propagated.

//Kim Horsevad

charles
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# Posted: 5 Mar 2017 00:31
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Hello Horsevad,

you obviously did not look at my Pagina600.html

In my 18 years of experiences with elektrosensitive persons and measurements, I have seen a number of peculiar phenomena, which could only be explained by longitudinal waves.

An example: When I hold the sensor of my very sensitive detector against the display of an analogue heat consumption meter, one can hear clerly the signals from the display. When I hold the sensor 4 cm away, I cannot measure the signals anymore. But an electrosensitive persons *feels* them at 3 meters away. Can you explain that?
I can, because longitudinal waves do travel over a much longer distance than transversal waves do.

When walking on the street with an electrosensitive person, she told me hat in that house is a DECT, but does not causes any trouble. I measue, and it is a very strong DECT signal.
Walking further, this person experiences suddenly heavy symptoms. I measure, and found a very weak DECT signal.
A DECT signal is a DECT signal. Can you explain why a strong signal does not give reactions, but a very weak one does?

Use Google translate, forget Maxwell, and try reading.
Gebbensleben has researched a lot scientifically, as did prof. Balck.
Can you explain his study with LED lamp's? Shining through a wooden plank?

Forget the normal *science*.
According to *science*, electrosensitive persons cannot exist, because a hundred studies have shown, that none of the tested persons could tell if they were exposed to elektrosmog or not.
Ask the WHO, ask your authorities, ask your doctor, ask your Telecom provider.
That is correct.
It is correct, because the applied *science* was not correct, and till today no serious study has been undertaken to determine what is happening.
Test persons were already pre-exposed, before they entered the test labo.
They were under a spychological pressure, resulting in higher heart rhytms and higher skin resistance. Questionairies are rubbish. The test persons should be pre-conditioned in an elektrosmog free environment, and before and after exposure, some Biomarkers should be measured on the body.

Electrosensitive persons do react to exposure of elektrosmog, and the sysmptoms can come quick, but also time delayed, like 24 hours and more later. (*Science* did never look at that aspect).
*Science* has no idea what electrosensitivity really means, the how and why is never studied.
For US$ 130,- you can have a measuring system, which produces 240 Biomarkers within 2 minutes. The electromagnetic Factor, as well as the Liver Fat Content, give excellent results after exposure of 10 minutes. Other organs do take longer time to show differences.

*Science* tells us, that RF signals cannot penetrate in the body deeper than 0,5 mm. However, RF signals can reach organs inside the body very easily.
See bioresonance.

horsevad
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# Posted: 5 Mar 2017 03:40 - Edited by: horsevad
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Thank you for your reply!



An example: When I hold the sensor of my very sensitive detector against the display of an analogue heat consumption meter, one can hear clerly the signals from the display. When I hold the sensor 4 cm away, I cannot measure the signals anymore. But an electrosensitive persons *feels* them at 3 meters away. Can you explain that?
I can, because longitudinal waves do travel over a much longer distance than transversal waves do.



Most electromagnetic signals can be measured quite further than most people realize. Using the WSPR-protocol I can readily measure HF signals sent from the other part of the globe - even though the transmitter effect is only 100mW. This it just a question of S/N-ratio and accuracy in constructing the receiver hardware and programming the receiver software. No esoteric explanations are needed.

The VGCC's in the cell membrane are actually capable of sensing very small electric field intensities - down to some 0.0004 V/m for some frequencies. A electric field intensity in this range is what you would expect from a 10mW Bluetooth transmitter 150 meters away.


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When walking on the street with an electrosensitive person, she told me hat in that house is a DECT, but does not causes any trouble. I measue, and it is a very strong DECT signal.
Walking further, this person experiences suddenly heavy symptoms. I measure, and found a very weak DECT signal.
A DECT signal is a DECT signal. Can you explain why a strong signal does not give reactions, but a very weak one does?



Intensity windows has been proven in both animal studies, epidemiological studies and in virtro studies. If the electomagnetic field is sufficiently strong to initiate the HSP response the bioreactivity is minimised. The most profound effects are found just under the limit for HSP response initiation.


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Use Google translate, forget Maxwell, and try reading.
Gebbensleben has researched a lot scientifically, as did prof. Balck.
Can you explain his study with LED lamp's? Shining through a wooden plank?



Forgetting Maxwell would be counterproductive in advancing the EHS cause. On the contrary - a theory which has withstood all attempts at falsification for more than a hundred years is considered quite robust.

I am not familiar with other studies mentioned. Could you post references?


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Forget the normal *science*.
According to *science*, electrosensitive persons cannot exist, because a hundred studies have shown, that none of the tested persons could tell if they were exposed to elektrosmog or not.
Ask the WHO, ask your authorities, ask your doctor, ask your Telecom provider.
That is correct.
It is correct, because the applied *science* was not correct, and till today no serious study has been undertaken to determine what is happening.
Test persons were already pre-exposed, before they entered the test labo.
They were under a spychological pressure, resulting in higher heart rhytms and higher skin resistance. Questionairies are rubbish. The test persons should be pre-conditioned in an elektrosmog free environment, and before and after exposure, some Biomarkers should be measured on the body.



In my latest book I have reviewed some 500 scientific studies which are all demonstrating or indicating bioreactivity of microwaves in non-thermal intensities. The BioInitiative Group has reviewed numerous others. Some say that the total number of papers showing such bioreactivity is between 15000 and 20000. So from a purely scientific point of view there are actually a tremendous majority of scientific papers demonstrating such bioreactivity. What is needed at this point is not further research but people actually acting upon the knowledge produced. This problem will either be solved by science - or it will bring about the demise of mankind. The end might be closer than most would like to admit.

As for WHO, they are not scientists - they are politicians and industry stooges. Read more at Olga Sheeans page: URL


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*Science* tells us, that RF signals cannot penetrate in the body deeper than 0,5 mm. However, RF signals can reach organs inside the body very easily.
See bioresonance.



Penetration depth of an electromagnetic field can be calculated by the signals frequency, the electrical conductivity and the magnetic permeability of the sample tissue. The stated depth is only correct for frequencies well over 10 GHz - for most of the frequencies used today a realistic penetration depth is measured in tens of centimeters.


//Kim Horsevad

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